[ SPOILER (ToB) ] End-Game Villain
Shareazu
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SPOILER! some information about the end game and the villain lies ahead!
Melissan as the final villain in the game was sort of a disappointment to me. Don't get me wrong, i do like the character, her scheme and all, but i think MAYBE it would be more appropriate to have BHAAL as the main villain off the last game (ToB), considering the game is all about you ('CHARNAME') facing him, the fate of being a spawn of bhaal, his essence in your blood, or even to take his place, his power, and etc... it'd be more epic, IMO.
before someone say "but he's dead! he can't face CHARNAME!", remember that (if i remember well), it was his plan to take control of the last child of bhaal once he/she killed all the others...
i'm not saying the game is better off without Melissan... no, i think it'd be good to keep her, but AFTER you defeated her, bhaal (or his spirit) would appear, and you'd have to fight him... or maybe you should be teleported to some place, be informed of bhaal's attempt to return, and then you'd have the opportunity to rest (if you wanted), before facing him.
ADDITIONAL IDEAS:
maybe there could also be some betrayal involved: if you didn't convince sarevok to change alignment, OR if your dialogue choices made him dislike you, bhaal would take his body.
the battle could be divided in two parts, just like the one agains kangaxx or irenicus; you would first face his ghost (if he took sarevok's body, you'd face a minor avatar of bhaal), after that, you'd face him as the 'true slayer', a bigger, unique version of the slayer. there could be, of course, minions to help him and all, just like in melissan's battle.
aaanyway, it's just a thought. those are just addiional ideas.
please, discuss, say your own opinions, and please, pardon for any gramatical errors. english is not my main language.... also, sorry if i made any mistakes regarding the game story/plot, it's been a while since i last played it.
Melissan as the final villain in the game was sort of a disappointment to me. Don't get me wrong, i do like the character, her scheme and all, but i think MAYBE it would be more appropriate to have BHAAL as the main villain off the last game (ToB), considering the game is all about you ('CHARNAME') facing him, the fate of being a spawn of bhaal, his essence in your blood, or even to take his place, his power, and etc... it'd be more epic, IMO.
before someone say "but he's dead! he can't face CHARNAME!", remember that (if i remember well), it was his plan to take control of the last child of bhaal once he/she killed all the others...
i'm not saying the game is better off without Melissan... no, i think it'd be good to keep her, but AFTER you defeated her, bhaal (or his spirit) would appear, and you'd have to fight him... or maybe you should be teleported to some place, be informed of bhaal's attempt to return, and then you'd have the opportunity to rest (if you wanted), before facing him.
ADDITIONAL IDEAS:
maybe there could also be some betrayal involved: if you didn't convince sarevok to change alignment, OR if your dialogue choices made him dislike you, bhaal would take his body.
the battle could be divided in two parts, just like the one agains kangaxx or irenicus; you would first face his ghost (if he took sarevok's body, you'd face a minor avatar of bhaal), after that, you'd face him as the 'true slayer', a bigger, unique version of the slayer. there could be, of course, minions to help him and all, just like in melissan's battle.
aaanyway, it's just a thought. those are just addiional ideas.
please, discuss, say your own opinions, and please, pardon for any gramatical errors. english is not my main language.... also, sorry if i made any mistakes regarding the game story/plot, it's been a while since i last played it.
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i guess that's kind of a big change, maybe too big... but i think it'd be nice to have the opportunity to face bhaal himself, instead of melissan who was merely his cleric... again, not saying that she's a bad character, just that the role of 'final villain' might be too much for her.
It has been some time since i completed ToB, but still i wonder; why would Cyric be taken too lightly if the suggested changed was to be made?
but maybe he (cyric) couldn't be aware of bhaal's plan to return... after all, deities in forgotten realms aren't really omniscient.
Oh yeah of course, im acually rereading some lore right now and there is potential to expand on your suggestions, Shareazu.
What if when the spirit of bhaal would possess either the body Melissan of Sarevok and Cyric himself would present himself and kill Bhaal again, lols? Then thanking CHARNAME for "helping" him. Of course, this would compromize the choice to ascend into godhood for the player, just a thought though.
Bhaal: "Muhahaha, im back!"
Cyric: "What u doin' maenn?!?" *stab*
I'd like to face Bhaal. The only time you fight him is in the dream sequence from SoA at Candlekeep.
It just wouldn't feel right to start bashing him with a sword.
Having said that, ending of ToB was clearly rather..hastily done. Rather amazing mod Ascension fixes much of that. Here's hoping EE-compatible versions of mods such as it will spawn soon after release.
Speaking of which, I hate how he just looks exactly like Sarevok. Couldn't they have made him a bit different? Or is there a reason within the story which explains why they wear the same gear / look the same?
Maybe Bhaal doesn't look like Sarevok.. maybe Sarevok looks like Bhaal. Since, you know, he does want to be the NEW LAWD OF MERDOR.
Yeah that's what I figured. I just said Bhaal looks like Sarevok since you only see Bhaal in Bg2 after having seen much of Sarevok. I guess that must be the reason. But if I remember correctly they also have the exact same voice too. Same voice same suit... would have been cool if there had been a slight difference. Also I would imagine Bhaal's avatar to be a bit bigger... dunno.
Worst thing was, my Wizard with more intelligence than the Mind Flayer's Chess Club combined couldn't call Mellissan on her terribly bluff checks, nor refuse to go along her ridiculous plan at any point.
I wouldn't mind Throne of Bhaal being completely rewritten to get her out (maybe make her an advisor to the Five) and focus on just the Five or on Bhaal himself, possibly other celestial/fiendish powers trying to stop you. Anything but a random never-heard-of priestess trying to arbritrarily be your best friend before suddenly becoming more powerful than anyone else.
Not going to happen, as Coriander said; the storyline can't be touched, but a guy can dream...
2° - However i agree that the final battle is a bad joke, if we evaluate the final battle of BG with sarevok, Angelo, Semaj and Tazok and measure with the final battle of BG2 ToB with Melissan, the BG final battle is thousand times harder than BG2 ToB final Battle.
So an upgrade on the final battle as the ascension mod do, would be a huge benefit to the difficult scales of ToB final battle.
I would like to see a better end-game cinematic though; regardless of which choice you make it's the same generic slideshow cleverly made to fit either narrative.
I'd also really love it if they got rid of the 'Liza Doolittle' VA for Mellissan, the way she said 'Baaaawlsporn' really made me want to punch her and made me hate that word. And the way she did a 'fake mean voice' after she was unmasked as the villain was really poorly done as well. But this ain't happening, either...