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Oversight HQ from Dark Horizons missing

LechloanLechloan Member Posts: 4
edited April 2020 in BG:EE Mods
Hello, I worked my way through the Section Part in Beregost, had the talk with Nikita afterwards where she gives me the Password scroll, but I can't find or access the Oversight HQ in Zentral BG.
AS far as I Know, it should be in the House behind House 1 in http://www.forgottenwars.com/bg1/ar0700.htm.
but it isn't there.

Am i in the wrong location or can anybody tell me which Variables need to be set for the access?
Post edited by Lechloan on

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  • SpikeSpike Member Posts: 1
    I have the same problem.
    We are supposed to meet a woman who will show you the good house. But i never found that woman...
    I have the password scroll but nothing happend...
  • ahungryahungry Member Posts: 29
    I too am plagued by this issue - from what I can see, no way to get into the Oversight HQ.
  • ahungryahungry Member Posts: 29
    A fix is using console:

    C:MoveToArea("CM0750")

    This will put you in the main room, go South and the butler will ask for the scroll and take it - letting you know to go to the 3rd floor to meet someone.

    Thoughts on the issue:
    I wonder if it's a BGEET thing - ar0700 on Dudley map corresponds to that segment of baldurs gate - but on EET that zone is actually BG0700 - and I do see an AR0700 in the mod files for DH, which indicates to me that it intended to overwrite the zone file (to add this door).

    However, MoveToArea("AR0700") in EET drops in me Amn, not in central baldurs gate.
  • EndarireEndarire Member Posts: 1,519
    @ahungry
    Would this Oversight HQ bug be easily fixed via fan patch?
  • ahungryahungry Member Posts: 29
    Maybe - I've seen some other tweak mods adjusting some of the older mega mods when detected (like removing the CtB disease as a tweak).

    Since leaving oversight HQ puts the player in the proper BG zone (BG0700 in EET), the only thing missing is the entrance area - so it probably would be a little PATCH IF check that the mod is installed, or a creature from mod is present or something (it has no EET awareness at all, so must be installed on the BGEE side, before EET is started) and then adding a zone point in the same way the mod added it to AR0700 (if it was via a patch and not just a flat overwrite of the file).

    I'm not sure what the maintenance status of the project-proper is - if it's still being maintained by someone, it may not be a big fix?

    I don't know how complicated modding areas is, so MoveToArea seems a bit simpler for now (but it would be nice to be EET compatible out of the box, no doubt).
  • StummvonBordwehrStummvonBordwehr Member, Mobile Tester Posts: 1,385
    Funny. I have played DH a couple of times - in a BWS in days of old and in BG:ee. Never got into the HQ in BG
  • EndarireEndarire Member Posts: 1,519
    The Dark Horizons mod author seemingly stopped coming to the forums months ago and DH hasn't been updated in years.
  • ahungryahungry Member Posts: 29
    https://github.com/ahungry/ahungry_tweaks#fix-missing-oversight-hq-door-in-dark-horizons-on-eet has a fix in the tweaks for this now
  • EndarireEndarire Member Posts: 1,519
    @ahungry
    Thankee for sharing this fix! Alleluia!
  • GraionDilachGraionDilach Member Posts: 589
    edited October 2022
    @ahungry Could you please provide a testcase where the bug is apparent?

    This shouldn't be an EET bug. In fact I went through all my EET archives which had DH installed and all of them already has this specific door installed. EET's own importer shouldn't even make a difference here between mod-added and OG doors to update them during the game content import step.

    This issue could only exist if DH failed to install the door to the map for some reason on BG1. Which I couldn't reproduce.
  • ahungryahungry Member Posts: 29
    I have over 200 mods at the moment, and don't have the time to bisect which triggered the issue - all I can confirm via word of mouth is that not only was the door missing when I went to mouse over it, it was missing when I viewed the file in Near Infinity as well.

    The tweak reproduces the door location exactly as defined in the pre-eet area file (again, when viewed in Near Infinity) with the same exact vertices and everything, so I don't *think* it'd be a problem to have a double door defined (if it did work for someone, but not for another) - is your request aimed at fixing an edge case in the EET portion?

    Next time I reinstall I'll hold off on my tweak and run the procedure again plus confirm the door does not exist, and upload that weidu.log - if it's relevant, I'm on GNU/Linux using the BG:EE/SOD/BG2:EE from Steam.
  • GraionDilachGraionDilach Member Posts: 589
    edited October 2022
    I also install ~900 components usually, so what? I mean, I can't respond to that better... because I presume you meant it as an excuse, but I can't do anything with that info.

    There's weidu --change-log for these reasons to backtrack which mod does it.

    My point is that throwing a random change at the end of an install as a perceived fix without any explanations or reasons to explain why the bug happens in the first place is useless. This should be fixed in or atleast reported for the mod which causes this change to be lost.

    If you don't have the time to bisect, atleast call your solution as a workaround, instead of a fix.

    We don't have any evidence that the word-of-mouths also had issues with losing the door or the area scripts messing with the door's activation. Because the door is activated explicitly in the same area script, instead of using the variable within the door's code itself.
  • ahungryahungry Member Posts: 29
    edited October 2022
    This thread is 2.5 years old - if someone wanted to fix it upstream, they surely could have done so by now, I don't see why there would be an expectation that I would take up the mantle (particularly given that I'm quite new to this modding community, and modding in general, but not programming, myself) - the fact that I shared a weidu patch (workaround, fix, whatever you prefer to call it) that allowed me to finish the content was intended as a courtesy, nothing more.

    I note the scope of mods, because while I was willing to spend ~30 minutes figuring out the workaround and writing the patch for it, and 30 seconds pushing it into my github repo, I'm not willing to spend more time on it, as an altruism (which is why I was interested in hearing your reasoning for suggesting that I do anything further than I have done).

    Maybe I was wrong in assuming more mods = more to diagnose/debug for a "test case" as you state it - I don't need to have an excuse, because it isn't my obligation to do anything with it. If I was providing the original mod, and had a business arrangement with someone for support, then maybe I would need an excuse, but I don't see why you think it'd be an excuse?

    Edit: Hopefully the reply doesn't come off confrontational, just trying to "clear the air" around how I perceive my role here, vs what some may expect of others :) - like I mentioned originally, when I have an opportunity to look into (I lack the disk space to have 2 parallel installs) I'll try to scrutinize the root cause as you suggest. I'll paste a change log, maybe some mod between the two is the culprit for overwriting the file.
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  • ahungryahungry Member Posts: 29
    edited October 2022
    From pre-eet: 
    Mods affecting AR0700.ARE (this is the SE Baldurs Gate):
00000: /* created or unbiffed */ ~SETUP-DARKHORIZONSBGEE.TP2~ 0 0 //  "Dark Horizons" Mod for Baldur's Gate: Enhanced EditionBG:EE v213

    From post-eet: 
    Mods affecting AR0700.ARE (this is Waukeen's Promenade I guess):
00000: /* created or unbiffed */ ~SKIPCHATEAUIRENICUS/SKIPCHATEAUIRENICUS.TP2~ 0 0 // Skip Chateau Irenicus3.2
00001:  ~UB/SETUP-UB.TP2~ 0 25 // The Murder of Acton Balthis, by Kulyokv28
00002:  ~ISNF/ISNF.TP2~ 0 0 // Colours of Infinity: I Shall Never Forget6.1.1
00003:  ~SOS/SETUP-SOS.TP2~ 0 0 // Shadows Over Soubar1.16
00004:  ~G3ANNIVERSARY/SETUP-G3ANNIVERSARY.TP2~ 0 0 // The Gibberlings Three Anniversary Modv12
00005:  ~HERTHIMONEY/HERTHIMONEY.TP2~ 1 10 // Component 2. First Calimport Bank Pack (by Scheele & Austin & Arcanecoast Team)4.2.6
00006:  ~ARATH/ARATH.TP2~ 0 0 // Arath NPC for BGII: SoA & ToBv5
00007:  ~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ 0 1330 // NPCs Cannot Use Doorsv16
00008:  ~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ 0 3190 // Rest Anywhere [japheth]v16
00009:  ~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ 0 3191 // Disable Non-Hostile Rest Spawnsv16
00010:  ~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ 0 3300 // Death Camv16
00011:  ~TNT/TNT.TP2~ 0 67 // Less autosaves | POWER USER component, consult readmev8.19
00012:  ~TNT/TNT.TP2~ 0 69 // Disable lightning during rainv8.19

    more from post-eet (for the other file) 
    Mods affecting BG0700.ARE:
00000: /* created or unbiffed */ ~EET/EET.TP2~ 0 0 // EET core (resource importation)V13.4
00001:  ~AC_QUEST/AC_QUEST.TP2~ 1 7 // A Home for the Gibberlings4.3
00002:  ~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ 0 1330 // NPCs Cannot Use Doorsv16
00003:  ~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ 0 3190 // Rest Anywhere [japheth]v16
00004:  ~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ 0 3191 // Disable Non-Hostile Rest Spawnsv16
00005:  ~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ 0 3300 // Death Camv16
00006:  ~TNT/TNT.TP2~ 0 67 // Less autosaves | POWER USER component, consult readmev8.19
00007:  ~TNT/TNT.TP2~ 0 68 // More map notesv8.19
00008:  ~TNT/TNT.TP2~ 0 69 // Disable lightning during rainv8.19
00009:  ~RANDOMISER/RANDOMISER.TP2~ 0 1300 // Randomise itemsMode 2: Randomise with WeiDU. No items are lost7
00010:  ~AHUNGRY_TWEAKS/AHUNGRY_TWEAKS.TP2~ 0 5000 // Mods: Fix missing Oversight HQ door in Dark Horizons on EET?1.0
00011:  ~AHUNGRY_DELETEFIER/AHUNGRY_DELETEFIER.TP2~ 0 3000 // Areas1.0

    As noted - if I rollback my ahungry_tweaks (5000) - the bg0700.are file is missing this door entirely - can a script event define a door that isn't in the area file?
  • GraionDilachGraionDilach Member Posts: 589
    edited October 2022
    No, if you're missing the door itself, then a mod did deleted the door. weidu --change-log not just lists the mods doing the edits, but also collects and dumps the revisions between the mods to the game folder. So basically it gives you all the revisions for diffing outright. I thought you noticed and looked at those as well.

    I'll break one of my folders with Item Randomizer, I never trusted that mod myself and can't think of the others causing the issue.

    EDIT: I've installed the TnT components and Item Randomzer and I couldn't reproduce the issue. I don't know what goes wrong there.
  • UlkeshUlkesh Member Posts: 280
    GraionDilach wrote: »
    I'll break one of my folders with Item Randomizer, I never trusted that mod myself and can't think of the others causing the issue.
    Any particular reason you don't "trust" the mod?
  • GraionDilachGraionDilach Member Posts: 589
    It's a randomizer and there are too many factors that can go wrong. Like, sure, it has a list of items used by other mods which shouldn't be randomized - but this list hasn't been updated in years.

    I understand why people like randomizer mods and the chaos that could add the game to, it's just that from my POV, this one is way too risky and somewhat too arbitrary to ensure everything goes well after a randomization.
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