[IWD2] Does duel wielding affect the APR of main hand?

Ian579

After being hasted, my level 16 paladin (sword+shield) can attack 5 times per round with his main hand, while my level 16 ranger (duel wielding) can only attack 4 times per round with his main hand (by the way, his off hand can attack 1 time per round).

It seems that duel wielding affect the APR of main hand. Is it true?

Balrog99

What (exact) weapons are you using?

Ian579

Balrog99 wrote: »

What (exact) weapons are you using?

I had tried different weapons (sword, morningstar, flail, dagger, and scimitar), and it doesn't matter.

Balrog99

Unless your paladin is using a +1 apr weapon (Belm, Kundane, etc...) that shouldn't be happening.

Grond0

I'm don't remember the game showing you the split between main and off-hand attacks - how have you determined that?

Does the game show 5 APR for both characters in the character record screen?

Ian579

Balrog99 wrote: »

Unless your paladin is using a +1 apr weapon (Belm, Kundane, etc...) that shouldn't be happening.

Yeah. It's weird. My paladin isn't using those weapons.

Ian579

Grond0 wrote: »

I'm don't remember the game showing you the split between main and off-hand attacks - how have you determined that?

Does the game show 5 APR for both characters in the character record screen?

The info can be found in the Attack Roll Modifiers section, which is in the Weapons and Armors tab of a character's Record.

This is how the section of my hasted level 16 paladin looks like:

Main Hand: +30/+25/+20/+15/+14
  Base: +16/+11/+6/+1
  Weapon: +5
  Abilities: +5
  Others: +4

Damage Bonus: +2

Critical Hit Bonus: +1
Number of Attacks: 5

And my hasted level 16 ranger's:

Main Hand: +29/+24/+19/+14
  Base: +16/+11/+6/+1
  Weapon: +4
  Proficiency: -1
  Abilities: +8

Off Hand: +28
  Base +16
  Weapon: +4
  Proficiency: -2
  Abilities: +8
  Others: +2

Damage Bonus: +2

Critical Hit Bonus: +1
Number of Attacks: 4+1

Grond0

Apologies. I read your initial post as being about IWD (which is 2nd edition), rather than IWD2 (which is 3rd). I haven't played IWD2 enough to be sure what's going on. However, the fact that your ranger is taking a proficiency penalty to its THAC0 is suggestive of one possibility - that the APR bonus normally given to higher level fighters (at levels 7 and 13) are not operative when using a non-proficient weapon. Try giving your ranger a proficient weapon and see if that gives him an extra attack.

Ian579

Grond0 wrote: »

Apologies. I read your initial post as being about IWD (which is 2nd edition), rather than IWD2 (which is 3rd). I haven't played IWD2 enough to be sure what's going on. However, the fact that your ranger is taking a proficiency penalty to its THAC0 is suggestive of one possibility - that the APR bonus normally given to higher level fighters (at levels 7 and 13) are not operative when using a non-proficient weapon. Try giving your ranger a proficient weapon and see if that gives him an extra attack.

That's okay.

The penalty of Proficiency my ranger is taking is actually the duel wielding penalty. He is using a large sword on the main hand and a small blade on the off hand, and thus the duel wielding penalty reduced from -4 to -2. (If he were using non-small blades on both hands, the duel wielding penalty would remain at -4.)

And because he took the second rank of weapon proficiency in large sword, the penalty to his main hand, which is using a large sword, further reduced from -2 to -1.