Endings (spoilers)
minsc4prez
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So i just eat ToB with Neera (romance), Imoen, Jaheira, Sarevok, and Viconia.
It seemes like the prologue for about everyone except Imoen did not end on a very happy note. I wanted to stay with Neera but she ups and leaves me, so i doubt CHARNAME is happy, Neera idk how she feels, Viconia ended up in countless failed military endeavors, Sarevok and Jaheira just get depressed due to ptsd and i guess Sarevok lost his ambition in life.
So do many npcs have actual happy prologues? Ive heard the ending with Fem Charname and Anomen romance ends on a good note. Ive beaten the series before with a haer Dhalis, Valygar, and Minsc. But none of them are ringing a bell.
It seemes like the prologue for about everyone except Imoen did not end on a very happy note. I wanted to stay with Neera but she ups and leaves me, so i doubt CHARNAME is happy, Neera idk how she feels, Viconia ended up in countless failed military endeavors, Sarevok and Jaheira just get depressed due to ptsd and i guess Sarevok lost his ambition in life.
So do many npcs have actual happy prologues? Ive heard the ending with Fem Charname and Anomen romance ends on a good note. Ive beaten the series before with a haer Dhalis, Valygar, and Minsc. But none of them are ringing a bell.
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- Jaheira has a happy ending if you romance her.
- Minsc and Boo continue having numerous adventures before one day returning to their beloved Rashemen. However, expect this ending to be changed/retconned by BG3...
- Edwin spends his days working in a dive-y tavern after a magical duel with Elminster goes very badly for him.
- Korgan eventually dies as he lived, surrounded by ludicrous amounts of blood and carnage.
- Viconia's ending is bittersweet if you romance her, as she falls foul of Lolth's personal attention.
- Nalia has a decently happy ending. She takes up a role as one of Athkatla's most powerful advisory nobles and uses her position, along with her magic, to greatly uplift and improve the life for the city's poor.
- Aerie has a happy ending if you romance her. If not, I believe she eventually returns home to her people, but finds herself unable to truly fit back in and eventually returns to the adventuring life.
- I've modded Imoen far too much to remember what was her original ending. XD
- Jan's ending is fairly happy. He eventually goes back to Athkatla and marries his sweetheart.
- Mazzy is celebrated as a hero among her people, and her deeds inspire many halflings to take up a life fighting the good fight. I believe she eventually founds an order that gives rise to the first halfling paladins when 3rd Ed hits.
- Hexxat has a happy ending if you romance her, I believe.
- Dorn does NOT have a happy ending. (But did we ever expect otherwise?)
- Rasaad, like Viconia, has mostly bittersweet endings.
I don't really remember the epilogues of most of the others as I wound up barely using them.
Keldorn goes down fighting as a hero in old age and is celebrated by Torm.
Yeah I always found the thieves guild thing a bit weird.
I hate Rasaad’s endings.
It would have been nice if all the endings had been a bit more personal if you stayed a mortal e.g. you actually continue to hang around together a bit.
Rasaad's endings are not what one could call happy, but in his "good" endings, he nonetheless manages to find what most monks seek their entire lives; enlightenment. He is either at peace with himself during his confrontation with the Sun Souls, or he finds purpose in the Twofold Path, as heretical as it is. In either case, enlightenment often teaches that happiness is transient anyway, while inner peace is eternal, and not something that can be affected by outside factors. To an enlightened monk, the difference between a happy ending or a sad ending is irrelevant; they are both endings, the conclusion of a life's story.
Rasaad's endings are even worse because they require:
They aren't bittersweet, they force everyone involved to be incompetent to force an unnatural tragedy.
These are my notes paraphrasing the epilogues:
Anomen Creates new holy order in Maztica
Cernd Chooses duty over son, son despises him and they kill each other
Dorn Never going to see an epilogue, not a happy end in sight
Edwin Edwina tends a Waterdeep bar
Jan Stuff happens
Keldorn Dies in battle, spirit taken by Torm
Korgan Dies in Drow-Duergar war in Underdark
Mazzy Founds knighthood
Minsc Returns home, founds adventuring group, disappears in old age
Neera Wanders the Realms
Rasaad Never going to see an epilogue, not a happy end in sight
Valygar Becomes Chief Inspector of Athkatla, son reforms the Cowled Wizards
Imoen Becomes powerful Archmage and Thief Guildleader, having mischievous plots across the realms
Sarevok Wanders the Realms, retires to Kara-Tur to mourn his misdeeds and lost love Tamoko
NPCs not included in the above list are ones I've edited the epilogues of, so I don't have a paraphrase of their default epilogues. Going by memory, Viconia's ending is probably better if you don't romance her, Jaheira's is better if you do romance her, and Aerie's is kind of a tossup which is a better ending, maybe slightly more the romance ending.
Then again looking at Mass Effect 3, and Dragon Age Origins, i guess they dont like to write just a happy ending, always got to be ambiguous.
I thought he rejoined if you speak to him again
I haven't had him ever ask to rejoin the party once he takes over the temple.
Well they're a messy blend of several mods, starting point being Shawnee's epilogues from Ascension, then added in from elsewhere, such as the NPC Flirtpack.
Nalia uses the Auren mod epilogue as an NPC-NPC romance.
Cernd default epilogue:
Ascension Cernd default epilogue:
Shawnee's Cernd epilogue:
My Cernd edit:
Imoen default:
Shawnee Imoen:
My Imoen edit:
My Jaheira edit blends in from the NPC Flirtpack.
Jaheira (romance) default:
Shawnee Jaheira romance:
Jaheira romance (NPC flirtpack, one of the possible endings):
They both felt a sense that something was missing--not between them, as they only grew closer as the dust settled. No, they belonged to each other, but the world seemed smaller and more confining somehow, even more petty and less tolerant than it had before their fateful abduction at the hands of Irenicus. To spark their imaginations, Jaheira encouraged <CHARNAME> to tie up the loose ends they had left behind in Tethyr and Amn, but after a time, both agreed that the work felt empty somehow. It was as though the world refused to keep pace with them. They were together, but alone besides.
After some wandering and soul-searching, the two decided to embrace their solitude and build a life in the Grey Forest of Impiltur. Finding a way to respectfully coexist with the grand trees that had once been the rightful moon elf inhabitants of that forest appealed greatly to Jaheira, who was deeply touched at the reminder of how closely people might bond with nature.
Despite their best efforts to find a secluded area protected by the magic of the elf-trees, the hobgoblins that soiled the forest would occasionally test their resolve. They could hardly expect to stand against <CHARNAME> and Jaheira, especially not among the elements where she could fight in righteous fury for hours without tiring, and in time, the two were free to live unmolested. Seasons passed, and Jaheira felt the soothing calm of nature's balance in her bones, and the warmth of <CHARNAME>'s love in her blood.
Still, isolation proved difficult for her, although she was reluctant to admit it. As much as she was nature's servant, at heart she took pleasure in changing the lives of others. Although visitors were not entirely unheard of--an old comrade on occasion, a few dedicated favor-seekers, the occasional chance wanderer--there was no substitute for community, and she keenly felt its absence. Yet the mainstream still held nothing for them. The solution was to build.
So they did--up, rather than out, the pair worked to build a new civilization among the trees of the Grey Forest, to build a place hospitable for other seekers who could not find satisfaction and who wished to return to nature's embrace. They came slowly, respectfully, by invitation only, and rather in awe of treading too clumsily into the paradise <CHARNAME> and Jaheira had built for one another. Over time, the tree city became a thing of legend, where seekers were said to travel to but never wished to leave. In truth, very few were even allowed to find the settlement--the elf-born trees saw to that.
Jaheira, that unique blending of the best qualities of elf and human, and of nature and culture, never lost her touch as the perfect foil to <CHARNAME>'s impulses, desires, strengths, and shortcomings. In the west, they were long remembered for their power and influence. In the Grey Forest, they became founders, builders, and visionaries, whose tribute to the interplay between nature and humankind lasted for generations.~
My Jaheira edit:
Viconia actually pulls from the most, from 2 of Ascension's default epilogues, plus Shawnee's alignment change, and the NPCFlirtpack.
Viconia default:
Ascension Viconia alignment change default:
What eventually become of Viconia is unknown. Her greatest legend is also the most unlikely, although its persistence gives it some credit. It is said that Viconia saved the elves of Suldanessalar from a Zhentarim plot, fighting valiantly against the organization's agents... and in the end placing herself in harm's way to save Queen Ellesime from a deadly arrow. Upon being revived, Viconia was surprised to discover that this last act had prompted the Suldanessalar elves to finally accept and forgive their drow sister. Queen Ellesime granted the highest honors of the Seldarine to Viconia, the first drow ever honored so, and even invited Viconia to find a home in the Tree of Life once again. Viconia was obviously moved by the gesture... and while she considered the Queen's offer, it is said she eventually merely bowed deeply to Ellesime and silently left Suldanessalar forever. Viconia was never reported seen again...~
Ascension Viconia:
Ascension Viconia Shawnee Viconia (alignment change):
NPCflirt Viconia epilogue (one of them anyways):
My Viconia epilogue:
I can't seem to find my Aerie+Haer'dalis epilogue, that gets pretty headcanon though. Mechanically, I get all the strongholds, and "give" the Bard stronghold to Aerie+Haer'Dalis who I boot together while their romance is going on early-middish SoA. The epilogues are about using the acting troupe as a cover (with Quayle's circus) to travel around the realms fighting slavery which gives Aerie a rightous cause to follow, while the changing scenery, acting, and danger of fighting slavers keeps Haer'dalis entertained. Eventually they free avariel slaves in Cormyr (per default/Ascension/Shawnee epilogues) and make their way to Faeyna-Dail where they live our their lives.
There's something to be said for brevity, and so I tend towards the default endings. I could see an addition for romanced + PC ascended, or maybe a differentiation for Sarevok/Viconia differences in alignment (But not really for Viconia, ultimately, even on her own, I just see her eventually become the True Neutral she gets in her romance.).
I think Viconia's tragic romance ending is one of my favorites, as is either Aerie ending, Anomen's non-romance ending, Minsc's (Which I don't see getting retconned by BG3 like poster #2 says? It's ending is vague and we know he is alive in Fifth edition anyway), and Mazzy. Jan's is fittingly hilarious.