Cleric kits?
atcDave
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I’m trying to find if there’s any mod out there with more cleric kits? Specifically I was hoping to find something for Torm, and maybe Elven and Halfling deities.
I had thought Divine Remix would have more of this, but it looks like the most current version just has newer versions of what’s already in the game.
It’s a little surprising, 2E PnP had so many ideas for building specialty clerics. And I still don’t see much out there for mods. Am I missing something?
I had thought Divine Remix would have more of this, but it looks like the most current version just has newer versions of what’s already in the game.
It’s a little surprising, 2E PnP had so many ideas for building specialty clerics. And I still don’t see much out there for mods. Am I missing something?
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You can also check Talents of Faerun : https://gibberlings3.github.io/Documentation/readmes/subdocuments_dw/all_priest_desc.html
Deities of Faerun might be exactly what I was hoping for. Thank you much!
Yesterday, I rebuilt my IE game builds with Deities of Faerun. And I wound up with IWD crashing when I tried to create a Half-elven F/M/T. at least I’m assuming it was Deities of Faerun causing it, it was the only mod new to me that did anything with classes and spells.
So I spent some time last night looking more closely at its installation instructions and it looks like I set up some conflicts for it with Tweaks mod. So I was planning on trying again today.
Here’s a question, is Faiths and Powers any less fussy? Is there any difference between the two on stability and how they interact with other mods and game components? Basically, what are the reasons to choose one or the other?
Unless someone can explain a fix I'll call it broken.
Is Faiths and Powers more stable?
What is your weidu log?
DoF shouldn't affect F/M/T since it's not a cleric.
But the crash definitely came after I’d installed DoF, and nothing else. It’s in exactly the same place every time, after you’ve chosen spells and it asks you to assign what spell you know. There’s a chime and the game crashes. I was able to create the character immediately before I installed DoF, and I get a CTD immediately after.
The spell was Identify. Which of course, doesn’t even overlap with a Cleric spell.
Seems like a bad interaction between DoF and another mod.
But, I did save the last install that was running correctly. This is what I'm currently playing:
// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // [Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name [ : Version]
~ZG_BG2_VOICES/ZG_BG2_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate II Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 1.2.0
~ZG_BGNPC_VOICES/ZG_BGNPC_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate NPC Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 0.3.1
~ZG_BG_VOICES/ZG_BG_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 1.1.0
~ZG_IWD2_VOICES/ZG_IWD2_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Icewind Dale II Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 1.2.0
~ZG_NWN_VOICES/ZG_NWN_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Neverwinter Nights Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 0.3.2
~KULDAHAR/KULDAHAR.TP2~ #0 #1 // The Rediscovery of Kuldahar (IWDEE) -> Yes and patch existing save games: v2.4
~SNOWYTOES/SNOWYTOES.TP2~ #0 #1 // Snowytoes Hamlet, a new area (IWD EE) -> Yes and patch existing save games: v1.4
~BLINKINGDEAD/BLINKINGDEAD.TP2~ #0 #1 // Night of the Blinking Dead (IWD) -> Yes and patch existing save games: 3.01
~OURLADY/OURLADY.TP2~ #0 #1 // Tale of Our Lady Dreamless (IWD EE) -> Yes and patch existing save games: v2.6
~SKINEATER/SKINEATER.TP2~ #0 #1 // Terror of the Skineater (IWD EE) -> Yes and patch existing save games: v2.3
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #60 // Weapon Animation Tweaks: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #110 // Icon Improvements: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #130 // Force All Dialogue to Pause Game: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #170 // Unique Icons [Lava] -> Only replace icons that aren't already unique: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #180 // Unique Containers [Miloch] -> Fixes only: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #190 // Use Character Colors Instead of Item Colors -> For all shields and helmets: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3151 // Remove Annoying Visual Effects from Equipped Items -> Remove all of the above: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2010 // Separate Resist Fire/Cold Icon into Separate Icons [Angel]: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1100 // Reveal City Maps When Entering Area: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1120 // Stores Sell Higher Stacks of Items: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1300 // Make Heart of Winter Accessible at Any Level: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2035 // Two-Handed Axes: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2140 // Expanded Dual-Class Options: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2152 // Wear Multiple Protection Items -> Allow armor plus one protection item [Angel]: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2211 // Change Grandmastery Bonuses -> BG2 grandmastery rules: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2240 // Un-Nerfed THAC0 Table: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2261 // Alter Mage Spell Progression Table -> PnP table: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2271 // Alter Bard Spell Progression Table -> PnP table: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2281 // Alter Cleric Spell Progression Table -> PnP table: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2291 // Alter Druid Spell and Level Progression Tables -> No level progression changes, PnP druid/cleric spell table only: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2580 // Alter Wisdom-Based Divine Bonus Spell Table -> Use PnP/PsT Table: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2500 // Exceptional Strength Weight Limit Changes [sarevok57]: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3031 // Easy Spell Learning -> 100% learn spells and no maximum cap: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3040 // Make Bags of Holding Bottomless: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3050 // Remove Fatigue from Restoration Spells: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3080 // Increase Ammo Stack Size -> Unlimited ammo stacking: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3090 // Increase Jewelry, Gem, and Miscellaneous Item Stacks -> Unlimited jewelry, gem, and miscellaneous item stacking: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3100 // Increase Potion Stacking -> Unlimited potion stacking: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3110 // Increase Scroll Stacking -> Unlimited scroll stacking: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3200 // Sellable Items [icelus]: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3205 // Stores Purchase All Item Types: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3294 // Personalize Automatic Save Names -> Use scheme: 000000000-[Protagonist]-Save-Name: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3310 // Start New Games with Party AI Turned Off: v16
The only change that led to the problematic build was adding DoF. So maybe one of the cdTweaks options is conflicting with the DoF install?
Its not a huge thing to me at the moment, my party cleric just dualled from Fighter to Cleric. I was hoping to dual into Cleric of Lathander, but generic will be fine for IWD.
But I'm hoping, for my next BG run to use a Halfling cleric of a Halfling deity for my main character. So I'd like to find a functional way of doing that.
The installation notes for DoF mentioned choosing character colors in cdTweaks would over-ride the kit color feature. I prefer it this way.
The other thing was switching to some PnP things for spell progression. Maybe this is a conflict? But strange it showed up when building a F/M/T character. Especially that it was consistent with three different things I tried, the crash came when I choose "Identify" as the memorized spell.
I will try to reproduce your install with DoF.
On a side note, Lava released two others quests mods for IWD : Below and Below Inn, and Xykascz's glove of chaos.
And no that I think of it, I did the "Dual into Kit" mod too, although that was recommended for DoF.
My previous build used Below & Below. So I am trying most of his others now! I’d missed Glove of Chaos! I’ll have to track that down when I do my next build.
Then I did a full install of everything I want to run. I backed off several components of CDTweaks, so basically none of the rules changes that could effect clerics. And it crashed exactly like it has been on creating a F/M/T. Something going on between one of the other mods and DoF?
// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // [Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name [ : Version]
~ZG_BG_VOICES/ZG_BG_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 1.1.0
~ZG_BG2_VOICES/ZG_BG2_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate II Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 1.2.0
~ZG_BGNPC_VOICES/ZG_BGNPC_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Baldur's Gate NPC Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 0.3.1
~ZG_IWD2_VOICES/ZG_IWD2_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Icewind Dale II Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 1.2.0
~ZG_NWN_VOICES/ZG_NWN_VOICES.TP2~ #0 #0 // Neverwinter Nights Voice Pack for EE 2.6+: 0.3.2
~KULDAHAR/KULDAHAR.TP2~ #0 #1 // The Rediscovery of Kuldahar (IWDEE) -> Yes and patch existing save games: v2.4
~SNOWYTOES/SNOWYTOES.TP2~ #0 #1 // Snowytoes Hamlet, a new area (IWD EE) -> Yes and patch existing save games: v1.4
~BLINKINGDEAD/BLINKINGDEAD.TP2~ #0 #1 // Night of the Blinking Dead (IWD) -> Yes and patch existing save games: 3.01
~OURLADY/OURLADY.TP2~ #0 #1 // Tale of Our Lady Dreamless (IWD EE) -> Yes and patch existing save games: v2.6
~SKINEATER/SKINEATER.TP2~ #0 #1 // Terror of the Skineater (IWD EE) -> Yes and patch existing save games: v2.3
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #60 // Weapon Animation Tweaks: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #110 // Icon Improvements: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #130 // Force All Dialogue to Pause Game: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #170 // Unique Icons [Lava] -> Only replace icons that aren't already unique: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #180 // Unique Containers [Miloch] -> Fixes only: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #190 // Use Character Colors Instead of Item Colors -> For all shields and helmets: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3151 // Remove Annoying Visual Effects from Equipped Items -> Remove all of the above: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2010 // Separate Resist Fire/Cold Icon into Separate Icons [Angel]: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1100 // Reveal City Maps When Entering Area: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1120 // Stores Sell Higher Stacks of Items: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2035 // Two-Handed Axes: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2040 // Universal Clubs: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2140 // Expanded Dual-Class Options: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2152 // Wear Multiple Protection Items -> Allow armor plus one protection item [Angel]: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2350 // Alter Multi-Class Restrictions -> Allow humans to multi-class: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2500 // Exceptional Strength Weight Limit Changes [sarevok57]: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3031 // Easy Spell Learning -> 100% learn spells and no maximum cap: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3040 // Make Bags of Holding Bottomless: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3050 // Remove Fatigue from Restoration Spells: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3080 // Increase Ammo Stack Size -> Unlimited ammo stacking: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3090 // Increase Jewelry, Gem, and Miscellaneous Item Stacks -> Unlimited jewelry, gem, and miscellaneous item stacking: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3100 // Increase Potion Stacking -> Unlimited potion stacking: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3110 // Increase Scroll Stacking -> Unlimited scroll stacking: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3200 // Sellable Items [icelus]: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3205 // Stores Purchase All Item Types: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3290 // Personalize Automatic Save Names -> Use scheme: 000000000-Protagonist-Save-Name: v16
~CDTWEAKS/SETUP-CDTWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3310 // Start New Games with Party AI Turned Off: v16
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #0 // Base Cleric Changes (required for all components): 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #1 // Use Kits' Colors: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #2 // Spheres System (by Kjeron): 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #3 // Install kit: Heartwarder of Sune: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #4 // Install kit: Battleguard of Tempus: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #6 // Install kit: Nightcloak of Shar: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #7 // Install kit: Alaghor of Clangeddin: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #8 // Install kit: Hoodwinker of Baravar: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #9 // Install kit: Fastpaw of Baervan: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #10 // Install kit: Watcher of Helm: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #11 // Install kit: Stormcaller of Talos: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #12 // Install kit: Dawnbringer of Lathander: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #13 // Install kit: Holy Justice of Tyr: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #14 // Install kit: Lorekeeper of Oghma: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #15 // Install kit: Painbearer of Ilmater: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #16 // Install kit: Dweomerkeeper of Mystra: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #17 // Install kit: Holy Champion of Torm: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #18 // Install kit: Silentwalker of Mask: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #19 // Install kit: Icevassal of Auril: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #20 // Install kit: Talon of Malar: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #21 // Install kit: Waveservant of Umberlee: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #22 // Install kit: Silverstar of Selune: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #23 // Install kit: Malagent of Talona: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #24 // Install kit: Pain of Loviatar: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #25 // Install kit: Dreadruler of Bane: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #26 // Install kit: Deathstalker of Bhaal: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #27 // Install kit: Gray One of Myrkul: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #29 // Install kit: Magistrati of Azuth: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #30 // Install kit: Doomscribe of Jergal: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #32 // Install kit: Bloodreaver of Garagos: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #33 // Install kit: Seer of Savras: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #35 // Install kit: Mistcaller of Leira: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #36 // Install kit: Luckbringer of Tymora: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #37 // Install kit: Black Finger of Beshaba: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #38 // Install kit: Doombringer of Hoar: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #39 // Install kit: Windwalker of Shaundakul: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #40 // Install kit: Wavetamer of Valkur: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #41 // Install kit: Darkwalker of Ibrandul: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #42 // Install kit: Pacifist of Eldath: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #43 // Install kit: Iceguardian of Ulutiu: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #44 // Install kit: Woodwife of Shiallia: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #45 // Install kit: Glyphscriber of Deneir: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #46 // Install kit: Trailblazer of Marthammor: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #47 // Install kit: Hawkeye of Solonor: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #48 // Install kit: Horn Guard of Yondalla: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #49 // Install kit: Bloodstalker of Urdlen: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #50 // Install kit: Luckmaiden of Haela: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #51 // Install kit: Truesword of Arvoreen: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #52 // Install kit: Glitterbright of Garl: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #53 // Install kit: Arachne of Lolth: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #54 // Install kit: Eye of Gruumsh: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #55 // Install kit: Feywarden of Corellon: 1.9.8.2
~DEITIESOFFAERUN/DEITIESOFFAERUN.TP2~ #0 #56 // Install kit: Sonnlinor of Moradin: 1.9.8.2
~DUAL_TO_KIT/SETUP-DUAL_TO_KIT.TP2~ #0 #0 // DUAL_TO_KIT_MENU -> Enable Dualclassing into Kits: 0.35
~DUAL_TO_KIT/SETUP-DUAL_TO_KIT.TP2~ #0 #1 // Grant second-class Specialists their Bonus Spell Slots: 0.35
~DUAL_TO_KIT/SETUP-DUAL_TO_KIT.TP2~ #0 #2 // Grant second-class Kits their Proper Proficiency Selection: 0.35
It is NOT DoF that's causing problems, its "Duel to Kit" which is specifically recommended in the DoF readme so you can choose those lovely kits you just added when you dual. I just noticed that I was adding that little mod every time I added DoF. So I did a build with everything except Dual to Kit; and it works fine.
Except of course, I can't dual into a kit....
So a work around, just keep both builds on the computer. Do character creation from a nerfed build without Dual into Kit, then switch over to the full build to actually play the game.
Maybe not the elegant solution, but it does what I want it to.