Dual classing, need info
Gel87
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Hi,
I have never dual classed before.
My plan is to solo play on legacy difficulty and start bg1ee as kensai or berserker, then dual class to thief for bg2ee, and see if i can manage this as level 1 thief basicly.
I exploit whatever i can, basilisk method etc and last time i solo true bg1 i got 2250000 xp with no xp cap.
But i want to min Max, so basicly i want to Get grandmastery on catana, and possible up to 3 slots in dual wep. But then i also would love 1 to 2 handed sword, axe and mace to be somewhat profienced on those when i Get use all items later.
So my question is, if i put 4 points catana, and 2 point to dual wep, when i then dual to thief, will and put 1 to catana and 1 to dual wep, will i then Get a total of 5catana, 3 dual wep once my thief reach same xp as my fighter class?
I have never dual classed before.
My plan is to solo play on legacy difficulty and start bg1ee as kensai or berserker, then dual class to thief for bg2ee, and see if i can manage this as level 1 thief basicly.
I exploit whatever i can, basilisk method etc and last time i solo true bg1 i got 2250000 xp with no xp cap.
But i want to min Max, so basicly i want to Get grandmastery on catana, and possible up to 3 slots in dual wep. But then i also would love 1 to 2 handed sword, axe and mace to be somewhat profienced on those when i Get use all items later.
So my question is, if i put 4 points catana, and 2 point to dual wep, when i then dual to thief, will and put 1 to catana and 1 to dual wep, will i then Get a total of 5catana, 3 dual wep once my thief reach same xp as my fighter class?
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Also, the first class doesn't become active when your second class reach the "same XP", it is after your second class is one level higher than the first.
Okay, thank you
So thief with its small XP gap would benefit greatly by that then.
Level 13 Kenzai forexample seems easy. I could even grind to lvl 18 kenzai in bgee without touching SOD.
A level 14 thief is only 880k xp.
A level 19 thief is only 1,98mill xp.
With sod could even pick 2-3 hla as fighter prior to thief ^^
But the most fun part is that i get to try lvl 1 thief vs legacy of baal BG2 :P And earn high result late game
Actually just starting fresh out kenzai in bg2ee you gain this:
Level 7: 6 profience points, +1/2 APR, +2 thaco and damage, -1 speed factor. (64k XP)
If you BGEE first:
(1str, 1dex, 1conc, 1 int, 1 charmisma, 3wiz)
Level 9: 7 profience, +1/2 APR, +3 Thaco and damage, -2 speed factor. (250k XP)
Level 13: 8 profience, +1 APR, +4 thaco and damage, -3 speedfactor. (1,250M XP)
Level 15: 9 profience, +1 APR, +5 thaco and damage, -3 speedfactor. (1,750M XP)
Level 16: -1 speed factor extra (2M XP)
Level 18: 10 profience, +6 thaco and damage, 1 HLA (2,5M XP)
Level 20: 10 profience, +1 APR, +6 thaco and damage, 3 HLA (3M XP)
I do not like the base thief HLA's.
So i guess i will just test it first, to see if i can lvl 0 to X by dual classing a 89k XP Kenzai i BG2, clua console the books from bg1 and see how it goes. But i dont think i will finnish that one.
Then i will use a 89k XP Kenzai, and dual class it into my Ninja Assassin kit. Which is basicly a kit which is a combination of all thief classes. Only negative side is that it cannot use ranged wepons. And thats a char i might play true tob on Legacy of Bhaal :P
It's a bit OP, but i like it that way xD Played that Ninja Assassin kit true BG1-SOA-TOB and it was really fun. I do like the thieve class, and the playstyle of thief. Espesially the backstab etc.
Anyway, as a solo thief starting at level 0 after dual classing to from kenzai i think it should be very possible on legacy of baal:
- Party imoen, use hide in shadow and sneak immoen to book shelfs, learn as many of the spells as possible from those shelf for XP. Then allow here to die/leave.
- Break out minsc, i think to get thoose 3000xp you need to party him. So it will earn 1500 XP prior to ditching him.
- Make sure to get enought points to open lock the stash with the key and wepons. Rescue jaheira for another 1500 XP.
- Open locks first on picture, then make sure to get enought skills to disarm that trap, while still having a few stealth points to hide in shadow.
- Hide and sneak true and disarm the machine spawning in imps. Then head to the "bottle room" and disarm traps and open locks for XP.
- Go into the golem, open locks etc stealthy, make him open doors, flee the imp and hide in shadows.
- Follow him into the room with that monster in it, disarm and open locks.
- Go further to the room where helm of balduran spawn in chest, disarm traps and open locks etc. Take helm etc. I also think there is a potion of master thievery there. This potion can be used if require more skills to dissarm/open locks, but i also think it can be used to picklpocket acorn from duerger, and then I can do that quest + djinni quest etc all without killing anything, and massive xp from irencicus chamber traps and chests, and xp from stash south of djinni etc.
- If we started as base lvl 7 kenzai we should most likely already benefit from grandmastery and bonuses from that class. So we can most likely possible kill stuff now with backstabs :P
Once irencicus dungeon is cleared, or snuck past etc (the prisons in khalids room might be impossible to kill, maby the demon and some imps as well, but i think they can be grinded).
So we come to town:
- we now have XXXX chests and traps to earn XP on without the need to even fight.
- We can steal/buy potion of thievery + get pickpocket gloves from the tavern. Buy the glass of identify, scroll case, potion case etc.
- Then steal all potions of thievery from black market seller in the bridge district, we can also steal-sell-steal-sell-steal-sell same high value item over and over again to earn enought money to buy all you cannot steal. Now we can basicly steal the entire amn town, and buy the rest for gear. And refresh all those wands etc with full numbers and use those if needed. We can party a mage and learn, and unlearn all spells for xp, but keep the ones we want for later use with use all items albility.
To earn 2,25 mill XP in bg1ee i can do this:
Candlekeep:
Talk to firebead 30 times for 300 gold.
Do firebead quest.
Try to force open chest for high value diamonds to buy katana. Steal all possible from tavern.
Do lydia quest.
Ignore all fights.
If more money buy scrolls of stone to flesh from temple.
Leave.
Gorion kill site map:
Party imoen, steal here stuff.
Move up and take belt from gorion etc.
Avoid wolf and pick up Diamond(500gp value)
Dont talk to gnome and xzandar yet.
Open map south for High hedge travels later.
Exit east.
Next map:
Grab ring +1
Sneak and open map north.
Sneak south, and open map south and east.
Exit map south.
Next map:
Open map east, hug the east map edge and go travel south.
Bergeost:
Talk ur way to 800xp from marv.
Buy book and do firebead quest and talk to him 30 times again for another 300 gold.
Open map in all direction, exit south.
Sneak past this next map or 2, open up travels all directions.
Once in naskel:
Go west and open up map, take ankegg armor.
Go south and open map.
Talk to noober until XP.
Dont talk to edwin yet.
Talk to bounty collector and say ur not greywolf for +1 rep(prices)
Talk to major.
Lure the bounty enemy outside and let him kill razaad and let the guards kill him.
Open up travels east.
Go to circus map.
Circus map:
Talk to guy giving you scroll of stone to flesh for 500gp.
Now make ur way to map with hidden ring of fire protection. Also gem worth 1500gp.
Now travel to friendly arm inn.
Friendly arm inn:
Find ring of wizardry.
Talk to flame dance ring lady.
Hug the castle walls until tower with torch on top, and go straight north avoiding all and travel to farmland.
Farmland:
Avoid random walk bandit by going striaght east first.
Then find sonner, agree his quest. Attack him from northeast to push him down in southwest corner and kill him.
Take bowl and flail+1 etc.
Now follow the road in a safe manner and travel north.
Baldurs gate bride:
Go east side of river and give the bowl to priestess for 2500xp and +1rep.
Leave map south and travel to friendly arm inn.
Friendly arm in:
Lure the yellow hogoblin the same way u came by hugging wall while kiting him with bow, at least 1 profience to forexample short bow is a must i think for ranged kiting. Lure him all the way to all the guards, so that they help you killing him.
Talk to lady who wants ring for 300xp and if i remember correct +1 rep.
Go south and travel to mutamin garden.
Mutamin garden:
Party the ghoul and drink a potion oil of speed for urself.
Let the ghoul take all agro since he is immune to petrification.
Start with the north basilisk, and u can also kill mutamin if u first place korax at correct position prior etc. Korax the ghoul stuns enemies which makes them easy to hit etc.
You should be able to kill all basilisks here if ur effective, if not, at least make sure you kill as many as possible. Avoid spending time on random mobs like gnoll's and avoid the adventure party in the middle.
Once done you should have gotten loads of experience and some levels.
Gorax charm spell will run out. Leave him and remember where he is if you did not kill all basilisks.
Open map towards east, north and south.
Leave towards west and travel to gorion kill site.
Gorion kill site:
Party Xzander and thief. Level them up. Make sure to put all points to pickpockets until 100%.
Travel to Bergeost.
Bergeost:
Head into the fieldpost inn.
Pickpocket the fat man on floor 2 for algernon cloak. Identify it wherever possible.
Mutamin garden:
Now if you did not kill all basilisks in mutamin garden its time to do so, so travel there. Leave party there. Charm gorax with cloak and finnish the basilisks.
Now travel to naskel:
Party edwin.
Steal everything from store. Sell what you dont need.
Go to temple and donate until rep is 20.
Now sell and steal ur highest value item over and over again to get unlimited cash.
Travel to circus, buy and steal whatever you need:
Magic blast amulet
Shield amulet.
Travel to high hedge, buy all u need, sell what u dont need.
Important to get claws of kangeruz or wtf they are called, and most important is to buy 1 x scroll of invisibility, and 1 scroll of protection from petrification for edwin to learn.
Travel to bergeost and buy everything usefull from smitty.
Next step is to ditch xzandar and the gnome and remember where.
Now buy all scrolls of stone to flesh from every temple possible.
(Guillykin, friendly arm inn, naskel, temple)
This should leave you with 65-71 scrolls. Worth 7000 XP each.
Now take edwin to durlags tower.
Durlags tower:
Drink 1 potion of oil of speed each (to avoid later trap)
Cast invisibility on you both.
Now bypass all and run into durlag tower itself.
Inside go left stairway and up to floor 2.
In floor 2 take the lower way towards the entrance to roof, (MIND THE TRAP, this is where the oil of speed is use for).
Go all the way to last strairway towards upper roof.
Now ideally you can rest 2-3 times to get rid of invisiblity. Then cast protection from petrification on ur main char here.
Leave edwin there.
Save ofc, then go and charm the greater basilisk on roof with ur cloak.
Run and make sure u wield ring of fire resistance and take +2 scimitar from pillar, then let the other greater basilisk shoot at you.
Now you will use ur charmed greater basilisk to turn the other greater basilisk to stone, and then use stone to flesh scroll to turn him back to flesh and repeat this process for as many times as you have scrolls. It will give you 7000XP each time. And you might need to go and reparty edwin to cast new protection from petrification midway true ur scrolls. Make sure ur baslisk dont attack the other one when he is in stone form, as he will then die.
Once ur out of scrolls stone him for the last time, and make sure the basilisk are spread away from eachother for further urse.
The 3rd basilisk you can keep as a fail safe measurement, or you can kill it for 7000 additional XP now.
Now you have around 500k XP, high level, NICE items.
So go into friendly arm inn, kill the mage at the entrance. Go to baldur's gate bridge, kill ankegg NORTH EAST. Travel to ulgoth's beard and buy everything you need from that store.
Now your free to do what you want. Clean out the maps, it will still be a struggle at this difficulty. Progress the storyline.
And repeat the basilisk method by using all scrolls from baldur's gate, and also later from candle keep.
Once you have found SAFANA the THIEF you can skill here upp in Open Locks and Disarm traps to take raid to get more items from durlags tower and other relevant places.
Priority for this excact Kenzai build would ofc be to obtain Katana+1 from ogre mage in Bandit Mine. But first firewine bridge for regular katana from ogre mage, and gloves from fighter north east.
THIS CAN ALL BE DONE 100% SOLO AS WELL:
Kill Imoen(not needed, but u want here stuff)
Kill Gnome and Xzander for pots and items.
Mutamin = Scroll of protection from petrification(and you can buy more from Carnival store, and later found in candlekeep and iron throne). Last for 2 hours (20min IRL)
Fat guy with cloak can be killed instead of pickpocketed. (-4 rep, but not an issue)
Find a way to sneak or run past mage in friendly arm inn, kill Jaheira for potion of invisibility. (Can also be bought at High Hedge according to BG wiki)
If anything unwanted happens when killing potentioal NPC's just charm them with cloak prior to killing them.
Only thing you cannot do (unless ur a thief) is to make sure u have all the coinz buy stealing and reselling from black market stores).
Dudleyville guide for everything that you would wonder about the excact areas etc.
- Dual classed to thief.
- Removed immoen instantly, which was a mistake. At least on the steam version its only 400xp for open locks at this level, and only 1750xp for dissarming traps. And i could not dissarm picture trap right away either. Immoen should be used to sneak past monsters, then suicide hunt scrolls at bookshelf and learn those for XP for ur main char. Then you can allow here to die xD
- Anyway, pp minsc and jaheira and leave them individual for 1500xp for main char each time.
- Used a scimitar first, then long sword, then longsword +1.
- Kensai can not wear armor, and can not use ranged wepons so killing monsters was just to forget about. Theese restrictions stays even thought u dual classed to thief.
- I made sure to have a small % to hide in shadow to be able to save and load to hide in shadow and sneak past stuff. It was a struggle for sure as i was MAX unlucky with goblin spawns at every possible location, where some was blocking a silent bypass, so i had to lure them away, run and hide. And it took many tries.
- I made golem open all doors, snuck around and open locked and disarmed all possible. Trapped that slow monster at trap etc.
- Then i pickpocket the gnome for acorns.
- I pickpocket dryads for quest item as well as several potions.
- In the end i was high enough level to gain benefits from kensai, so i was able to hide and backstab and run over and over again to kill dopple ganger, and the 2 gnomes at trap location.
- Then i had a try on the demon knight. ZERO CHANCE! This guy sees invisible people.
- Once out of the cave i pickpocket advanture party at the inn. (thief was not possible). Pickpocket most guys.
- Went to next map and bought the identify googles. Then i pickpocket the bounty hunter or what he is called for key and released the guy and snuck true all the guards for more quest XP.
- So now, next step is to gear up by stealing the entire town, and sell to blackmarket guys, party a mage and learn spells for XP.
But when i come home i have a really fun selfmade fighter/mage/thief kit, so i guess i can set starting XP to 0 and enjoy that one true bg2ee. But first i guess i have to finnish my monk run which are currently halfway in bg1 xD