About dwarf saving throws

Jordi

I rolled a fighter dwarf with 19 CON in ToB, to make sure the saving throws bonus ok, i think he should have gotten negative st to death, but instead the save was at 0, which means he is losing part of the bonus. Do someone know if is supposed to cap at 0?, hope i explained myself, because my english sucks.

Trouveur

What is your fighter level ?

Jordi

Level 18 , his sabes should be -2/0/4/4/1 because of the constitution bonus on dwarfs, but is 0/0/4/4/1, only can go under 0 with equipment that lowers saving throws
Edit: im on ps4

sarevok57

0 is the lowest you can go for a saving throw without items, it's a game engine default

Jordi

Though there should be some kind of cap, thanks for the info.

sarevok57

0 is the lowest you can go without items/spells/ buffs/etc
-20 is the lowest you can go with items/spells/buffs/etc

Jordi

Yeah lots of ways to lower saving throws in this game. My goal is -6 ( an enchanter throwing chaos), easy for a paladín in late game

Soido

And I don't think there is a critical miss with saves. Like with weapons, you can get hit even high AC if enemy rolls critical 20, vice versa. Well unless you wear helmet making you immune to crits

jmerry

Indeed, there is no critical failure for saves. High level characters, particularly shorties, can fairly easily reach the point of always making saves. On the flip side, if your base save is a 20, that's an auto-fail - not even rolling a 20 will save you.

Base saves are an unsigned integer field, and when the game reads from the tables to determine saves for a party member, they're capped to the 0-20 range. For non-party creatures, there's a bit of an unfortunate bug ... LoB reduces base saves by 5, and if this lowers them to a negative number that underflows and flips around to become an auto-fail. Oops.