Backstab bug? Please help.

Gel87

Yo, i used to play old beamdog version of baldurs gate. I had a assassin like thief and solo played with it, it reached tremendeuous backstab damage in bgee, like 200 at a nice hit, 4xx on a decent hit in bg2ee.

Now i play newest steam version. I have scs, rr, icewindification, a few ctweaks. Almost full scs, some rr(mostly items and better enemies).

I use katana of magi +2 (from kahrk), offhanding drizzt wepon(sometimes take off when backstabbing for better thaco). I also have the gloves (1thaco/2 damage). 19 strenght, more with bhaalpower.

I casted: some devine damage buffs, luck and emotion:hope. Listed min damage was 23. my backstab is 4x. But it dealth 36 damage. Text said: backstab: quandruple damage.

Even unbuffed my min damage is listed at 11, that should be minimum 44 backstab damage.

Anyone know what’s wrong? Newer gamecode? RR? SCS? Katana of Magi+2?

This like ruin the entire thief related class for me. My plan was to one tap every boss on my hardcore run.

jmerry

Strength bonuses don't get multiplied in a backstab. Never did, as far as I know.

So ... 1d10+2 from the weapon, +2 from the gloves, +7 from strength. Before the buffs. Without a backstab, that's 12-21 damage ... something isn't adding up. Have you installed something that tinkers with strength bonuses, or reported something else wrong? But that 12-21, in a 4x backstab, becomes (5-14)*4+7=27-63. Not nearly as impressive as the first glance quadrupling.

Oh, and there's still potential for some extra-big hits. Melee attacks against enemies without an equipped melee weapon get +4 damage, and that does get multiplied in a backstab.

Gel87

jmerry wrote: »

Strength bonuses don't get multiplied in a backstab. Never did, as far as I know.

So ... 1d10+2 from the weapon, +2 from the gloves, +7 from strength. Before the buffs. Without a backstab, that's 12-21 damage ... something isn't adding up. Have you installed something that tinkers with strength bonuses, or reported something else wrong? But that 12-21, in a 4x backstab, becomes (5-14)*4+7=27-63. Not nearly as impressive as the first glance quadrupling.

Oh, and there's still potential for some extra-big hits. Melee attacks against enemies without an equipped melee weapon get +4 damage, and that does get multiplied in a backstab.

Okay, thanks then i know more.

What if i do this:
Cast luck(+1 min damage)
Cast bless(+1 damage)
Cast emotion:hope (+2 damage)
Cast prayer(+2 damage)
Recitation
Other

Will theese be quandruple’d?

I think the old beamdog version had all those multiplied? Or maby my memory only stored the critical hits, it was a special kit with assassin like multiplier i played then.

And yes, the damage i listed might be 1 off, it was just out of memory of me playing yesterday.

jmerry

Luck: modifies the d# part of the damage, which is something that gets multiplied.
Bless: don't know, unique effect with its own opcode. Would have to test.
Hope: Is +damage like the gloves, gets multiplied.
Prayer: Is +damage like the gloves, gets multiplied.
Recitation: doesn't boost damage at all, irrelevant.

(And, of course, I had to look up those IWD spells the inconvenient way because I don't have them installed anywhere.)

Gel87

jmerry wrote: »

Luck: modifies the d# part of the damage, which is something that gets multiplied.
Bless: don't know, unique effect with its own opcode. Would have to test.
Hope: Is +damage like the gloves, gets multiplied.
Prayer: Is +damage like the gloves, gets multiplied.
Recitation: doesn't boost damage at all, irrelevant.

(And, of course, I had to look up those IWD spells the inconvenient way because I don't have them installed anywhere.)

Thank you so much

Now i have more understanding how it works

Probarly benefitial to not try to backstab one tap theese bosses on a hardcore run anyway

Aerakar

In my experience the Bless damage from the spell and also from the RR buckler also gets multiplied in a backstab.