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Rank Your Favorite ARP's

BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,452
I was inspired by the Grim Dawn thread to create this one. I thought it might be fun to rank our favorite ARP's in order and compare lists. I'd rank mine about like this:

1) Sacred 2
2) Titan Quest
3) Torchlight 2
4) Sacred 1
5) Torchlight 1
6) Grim Dawn
7) Diablo 2
8) Diablo 3
9) Fate
10) Path of Exile
11) Divine Divinity 1

With all the games on my list put together, I've spent well over 2,000 hours playing ARP's, maybe more. Steam says I currently have 467 hours on Sacred 2 and 181 hours on Titan Quest Anniversary Edition, but that's not even counting all the past computers I played on before Steam was even a thing. (I played Sacred 1, Sacred 2, and Titan Quest from discs before online downloads were a thing.)

I usually like bright colors and upbeat musical tracks, because gaming for me is a treatment for depression. But sometimes I'll still play the grittier, darker ARP's. Path of Exile is near the bottom of my list for several reasons. I don't like free-to-play games, because they tempt me to spend money I can't afford, and I wasn't a fan of the gem-based slot crafting gear system. The huge constellation skill tree was fun, but I didn't like the constantly changing seasonal game mechanics. I also thought the way acts 6-10 recycled areas and spiked the boss difficulty so high as to make solo play extremely difficult if not impossible was a turn-off.

Just because a game is near the bottom of the list doesn't mean I don't like it, though. If it's on the list at all, I've liked it enough to spend 100 hours or a lot more playing it.

I've played so many ARP's, I've probably left some off the list.

Kamigoroshivoidofopinion

Comments

  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 10,049
    How are we defining ARPG? Is it the pure hack and slash of diablo and its contemporaries? Or are things like Dark Sould and Kingdom Hearts allowed?

    FinneousPJvoidofopinion
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,323
    Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning is pretty high up for me. Be it as stalward warrior, tief, wizard or an dual- multiclassed character: its combat was just superb and fun. Alas, the combat far outdoes the rather simple quest structure. A tad too many "fetch this", "kill that" quests. But still an awesome game.

    INSOMNIA: the Ark will be released on the 27th this very month and is a sheer ARPG power house. Its dieselpunk similar to Fallout, but set in the depths of space. Lots of humour in that one too.

    Here's a Let's Play of its Early Access version for those who haven't heard about it yet:

    voidofopinionThacoBell
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 7,732
    Hmmm, ok......

    1.) Diablo 2
    2.) Grim Dawn
    3.) Path of Exile
    4.) Torchlight 2
    5.) Diablo 3

    I don't really know that there are a ton of games other than these that deserve much mention. I know everyone loves Titan Quest, but I just can't stand the pace of the game. It's strange I have such an aversion to it given my love of Grim Dawn, but they clearly learned ALOT in the time between the games. Diablo 2 is still ground zero for the genre. Every concept in modern ARPGs comes from it in one form or another. Path of Exile is the best free-to-play game ever. Torchlight 2 is a nice sugar-rush (and is actually quite challenging). Diablo 3 is the arcade version of the genre.

    My definition of the genre is an isometric loot hunt with multiple difficulties and game-modes. Yes, games like Dark Souls and even 3D Zelda games could be considered action games with RPG elements, but just like JRPG to me means something like FF6 or Chrono Trigger, ARPG to me means "a Diablo clone".

    voidofopinion
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,456
    I don't play the games mentioned in the OP but I would echo @ThacoBell 's question. Dark Souls and Bloodborne are simply the best games ever.

    voidofopinionThacoBell
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    I played the original Diablo and I've played the original Witcher for about 20 hours.

    voidofopinion
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 7,732
    LadyRhian said:

    I played the original Diablo and I've played the original Witcher for about 20 hours.

    The original Diablo has an unparalleled atmosphere and soundtrack, otherwise the sequel is better in almost every way. I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that the first Witcher game is genuinely bad, and in more aspects than just the combat. Thankfully 2 is fantastic and 3 is one of the all-time great games, but good lord that first one is rough.

    I think the Soulsborne series almost deserves it's own category at this point, as, much like Diablo, it has spawned dozens of imitators of varying quality. Dark Souls itself owes a hell of a lot to Castlevania, just as Diablo does to Rogue.

    voidofopinion
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    If you like old-school style RPGs, you should try the Exile series. Remade as Avernum. They are really old school. Like Gold Box game RPG style.

    voidofopinionThacoBell
  • voidofopinionvoidofopinion Member Posts: 1,242
    edited September 2018
    1. Diablo
    2. Diablo 2
    3. Titan Quest: Immortal Throne
    4. Grim Dawn
    5. Diablo 3
    6. Torchlight
    7. Hellgate: London
    8. Torchlight 2
    9. Divine Divinity
    10. Beyond Divinity

    Diablo Series
    Diablo was utterly groundbreaking.

    People have spent over two decades dissecting every piece of the game from its flow to the history of its creation.

    There have been scant few games as disruptive to the industry.
    Pong, Space Invaders, Super Mario Bros, Tetris, Tecmo Bowl, Doom, Street Fighter 2, Baldurs Gate, Grand Theft Auto 3, Guitar Hero, Minecraft and PUBG (of the top of my head).

    Each a masterpiece that forever left a mark on the industry and all who played them.

    Diablo was utterly new. It defined and popularised a genre and a generation.

    No Diablo, no Diablo Clones. So it gets top billing.

    Likewise with Diablo 2. Everything was polished up to a fine shine and we were given more, more, and more. Everyone is still chasing Diablo 2. No has ever said, "This ARPG is going to be the next Dawn of Magic!" No, it's always Diablo 2 and for good reason.

    Diablo 3 gets a lot of hate and rightly so but I have grown to like it through pure attrition. After they fixed the market, loot, and added the expansion and Necromancer it feels more than complete. The story is outright bad but the grind is good. It also looks gorgeous and I can play it in 3D on the Vive through VorpX and it's stunning to run around in a diorama of murder.

    If you have a Vive or Rift you have to try Diablo 3 with VorpX. It really is transformative.

    ...And the really great console versions. I have put in hundreds of hours playing Diablo 3 on the Vita through remote play.

    Ultimately Diablo 3 is accessible and inoffensive so it gets put in the middle.


    Titan Quest: Immortal Throne & Grim Dawn
    In order to combat piracy the people at IronLore decided to make the game become unplayable at a certain point. This just caused a whole bunch of problems for legit users and the game gained a reputation for being a buggy unplayable mess from the pirates. Because of this Titan Quest never got the immediate sale figures it deserved.

    Instead of slowly sold over a million copies as it cropped up in various digital sales and it was during that time (2008) that I discovered Titan Quest. I immediately loved the setting. The use of history (especially the bards). The class system and the satisfaction of triggering an on-hit ability and watching someone fly. And the crunchy, crunchy meta.

    I immediately bought gold editions for my entire gaming guild, and for a good year, we ran nothing but Titan Quest, with at least 3 full squads at any time. Morning, noon or night. Even when we were finally on to other things we would still buy someone a copy and play through it with them if they were new to the guild and made it into the "in crowd."

    A short while later and I stumble upon Grim Dawn and have the unique distinction of being the last person to crowdfund Grim Dawn through Crates initial self-driven crowdfunding attempt before it was closed down and moved to kickstarter.

    I spent a lot of time with the Grim Dawn community. A lot of time. Thousands of long posts going into the night as a small group of hardcore old-school fans just shot the breeze.

    Then the game went live on Steam and the community was flooded by a horde of new people who did not share our attitude. That community died and a new one with many heads and angry voices was born.

    It's the way of all small pre-release communities. It was amazing while it lasted and I made a lot of good friends who I am still in contact with today.

    Oh and the game is great too!


    Torchlight Series
    Torchlight is the popcorn of ARPG's. You think you are just going to have a couple and before you know it the sun is coming up, there is no more popcorn and you are covered in butter and shame.

    Torchlight has all the same markers that made Diablo great only in a much more simple and streamlined fashion. Torchlight was the only game my sister in law would play besides the sims and she wouldn't play anything but the sims...

    I can appreciate Torchlight 2 from a technical standpoint but it felt muddy and unfocused. But it's still a ton of fun to play especially multiplayer but the environments, NPC's and the plot just didn't resonate with me. Didn't stop me from playing it to death because damn are those classes fun!


    Hellgate: London
    I don't care what anyone says. I like Hellgate: London and I am sad it died from poor decisions.

    The game played like a completely different genre depending on which class you chose. The world setting was neat and the moment to moment action was utterly absorbing. I don't think I have had as much fun tanking in any game more than I did Hellgate (Guardian ftw).

    There was so much potential in Hellgate: London and had it launched with the intended content with the needed polish and business management that didn't sell the rights to multiple people then... well that doesn't matter. What's done is done.

    Hearing David Brevik talk about the games development is heartbreaking.

    With that said. Even with all its massive flaws I will get the urge to play every now and then and I have a blast every time.

    For the living!


    Divinity Series
    I'm not talking about that Origional Sin nonsense. I'm talking about the first two games.

    Do you like Diablo? Do you like Baldurs Gate? Do you think Dark Souls was easy mode?

    Interested in what the bastard impoverished child of the three would look like?

    Then look no further!

    Divine Divinity's only crime was being released at the same time as Neverwinter Nights, Morrowind, and GTA3.

    Divine Divinity and Beyond Divinity are not further up the list because of how outright unfair they are at times. Don't play on hard... things will one shot you and you have enough hoards of things you're ill-equipped to deal with on normal.

    However, they leave a very strong impression.

    Years later and I will still think back on my adventures and get the urge to play them again.

    Listen to that sirens song...

    Go play them.


    I believe I am exposing myself as the "loot 'em up" nerd that I am.

    ;)

    Post edited by voidofopinion on
    BelgarathMTHSkatan
  • SkatanSkatan Member, Moderator Posts: 4,955
    I haven't played that many, but those I did play I played a lot.

    1: D2 obviously.
    2: PoE
    3: D3. I think the hate it got was exaggerated. It was a very competent game.
    Honorable mentions; Borderlands - different in many ways, but it borrows heavily from the ARPG genre. Didn't like the second one though. Don't even know why, just didn't.

    Well, that's it. A short list of games, heh.. I was intrigued by the Grim Dawn thread and might try that while I wait for Pathfinder:Kingmaker.

    BelgarathMTHvoidofopinion
  • BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,452
    @voidofopinion , You win the thread so far. Thanks for going into so much detail about your list. It's nice to meet someone who enjoys these kinds of games as passionately as I do. I've played every one you mention for ungodly numbers of hours except for Hellgate:London, and I missed Diablo 1 because it came out a little before I got into gaming back in the 1990's.

    voidofopinionSkatan
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 10,049
    I find most hack and slash rpgs to be pretty boring. My action RPG list would be

    1.Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. As @Kamigoroshi sated above, its combat is just unparalled in the genre. And not many ARPGS let you multiclass, especially not so freely.

    2.Kingdom Hearts. The combat is a little simple, but it an almost Earthbound-ish feeling to it. It mixes up so many clashing elements that just somehow work. Its goofy, serious, funny, sad all wrapped up into one. None of the many many sequels have felt quite the same.

    3.Bloodborne. I'm not a fan of the Darks Souls gameplay formula, but the setting and creative designs of this game are just so stunning and unsettling, that I can't leave it off.

    FinneousPJKamigoroshi
  • voidofopinionvoidofopinion Member Posts: 1,242
    And it's wonderful to see so many share that passion!

    I didn't realize they were my jam until my wife told me. I always thought fighting games were my go to until she listed all the loot 'em ups I had played and the obsessive amount of time I had put into each. She even bought me a entry level gaming pc as a surprise present just so I could play the newly released Diablo 2 because I saw it in a magazine at the checkout and marked out.

    There is just something mediative about the rythm and flow of a good loot 'em up.

    Speaking of, the term "Loot 'em up" was a term pushed by Medierra of Crate of Crate Entertainment because The Legend of Zelda is an Action Roleplay Game. Diablo could be considered a Roguelike but anything with static levels and no perma death (like Titan Quest) could not. So the one thing they all have in common is the loot grind. So "loot 'em up" was adopted by the community as the most accurate definition and it has just become force of habit for me.

    :blush:

    SkatanBelgarathMTH
  • voidofopinionvoidofopinion Member Posts: 1,242
    @Skatan

    Borderlands is absolutely a "loot 'em up" and now you are making me want to replace Torchlight 2 with Borderlands based purely on time played!

    ;)

    Skatan
  • SkatanSkatan Member, Moderator Posts: 4,955
    I never did get to play Borderlands MP, only SP. I wonder what a MP session would have been like. Did you try it @voidofopinion ?

    voidofopinion
  • voidofopinionvoidofopinion Member Posts: 1,242
    edited September 2018
    I played through the entire game for the first time with my gaming group. Then I did the solo grind through all the difficultly levels. Then years later my wife wanted to play it so we went through the game and all the DLC.

    I have tried playing Borderlands 2 with a group and solo on PC and PS4 but the pacing is bad and the enemies are annoying instead of interesting... And worst of all are those golden keys.

    :s

    ThacoBellSkatan
  • SkatanSkatan Member, Moderator Posts: 4,955
    Thanks for the story @voidofopinion, but let's not hog the thread for more Borderlands talk :)

    voidofopinion
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