Shar-Teel vs Dorn
Raistlin82
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Nope.
This thread is not about asking which one I should take for my evil party.
Because I obviously took both.
SPOILERS
Instead, this thread is about pondering the possibility of these two actually fighting each other.
I know your companions in BG and BG2 tend to fight each other, at times: I personally killed Ajantis and Dynaheir already, and man the whole Montaron/Xzar vs Jaheira/Khalid thing was hilarious.
Now, I have messed around with my party composition a lot, but I'd like to keep the "final team" I just finalized: me (half-orc swashbuckler), Kagain, Dorn, Shar-Teel, Viconia and Edwin(a).
Sadly, I'm starting to suspect it won't be possible.
First Dorn tells me he doesn't trust Shar-Teel (however, other posters have pointed out that the same dialogue can be had with pretty much anybody you have in your team at the time: Xzar, Jaheira, Viconia, etc...).
Then, just now, Shar-Teel challenged Dorn ("You! Tall, dark, and moronic!" XD ) to a duel, to which he replies saying he can't be bothered, so Shar-Teel calls him "a coward and a man!" (better comebacks, girl! ^_^ ).
I'm afraid these two are destined to duke it out, just like Edwin/Minsc and many others.
At which point, I would find myself compelled to favor Dorn over Shar-Teel (for the simple reason that they promised Dorn will be in BG2:EE, and Shar-Teel probably won't), but I'd rather not.
So, my questions:
1) Is this going to happen? Did anyone experience it?
2) If yes, is there any way to avoid it?
3) Worst case scenario, who do you suggest I should take in Shar-Teel's place, given the above team? Is this Eldoth guy any good?
PS: also, lol @ Google search. The third to ninth results for SHAR-TEEL vs DORN were about some TEENS who SHARE... ahem... something, in a DORM.
This thread is not about asking which one I should take for my evil party.
Because I obviously took both.
SPOILERS
Instead, this thread is about pondering the possibility of these two actually fighting each other.
I know your companions in BG and BG2 tend to fight each other, at times: I personally killed Ajantis and Dynaheir already, and man the whole Montaron/Xzar vs Jaheira/Khalid thing was hilarious.
Now, I have messed around with my party composition a lot, but I'd like to keep the "final team" I just finalized: me (half-orc swashbuckler), Kagain, Dorn, Shar-Teel, Viconia and Edwin(a).
Sadly, I'm starting to suspect it won't be possible.
First Dorn tells me he doesn't trust Shar-Teel (however, other posters have pointed out that the same dialogue can be had with pretty much anybody you have in your team at the time: Xzar, Jaheira, Viconia, etc...).
Then, just now, Shar-Teel challenged Dorn ("You! Tall, dark, and moronic!" XD ) to a duel, to which he replies saying he can't be bothered, so Shar-Teel calls him "a coward and a man!" (better comebacks, girl! ^_^ ).
I'm afraid these two are destined to duke it out, just like Edwin/Minsc and many others.
At which point, I would find myself compelled to favor Dorn over Shar-Teel (for the simple reason that they promised Dorn will be in BG2:EE, and Shar-Teel probably won't), but I'd rather not.
So, my questions:
1) Is this going to happen? Did anyone experience it?
2) If yes, is there any way to avoid it?
3) Worst case scenario, who do you suggest I should take in Shar-Teel's place, given the above team? Is this Eldoth guy any good?
PS: also, lol @ Google search. The third to ninth results for SHAR-TEEL vs DORN were about some TEENS who SHARE... ahem... something, in a DORM.
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The other part, I cannot say. Perhaps they just have the one banter-grump and nothing else comes of it. If nothing immediate is happening so far, then I think you may be safe. When I recruited Dorn with Ajantis in my party, it ended in Ajantis going hostile (and getting killed) right then and there. So I'm gonna put my bet on them just not liking each other but are able to put up with each other.
I would suggest Eldoth as a replacement if that did happen, but only if you manage to get rid of Skie (petrify her after she joins your party, kill her off, etc.) Otherwise, you have to replace someone else in your lineup as well for a very very subpar thief.
EDIT: Although I've never played Eldoth, I have heard he is very good. Poison arrows are cool, and your party could always use a few more magic missiles eh?
By now, I'm pretty sure that that one conversation is more intended to develop your CHARNAME's relationship with Dorn than anything else.
The other conversation... well, it seems others have experienced it, too, but without any consequences so far. Here's hoping she's all talk.
It could go either way, truly. I doubt they'll actually fight though, that would ruin a lot of peoples' party composition, so...
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So far we have confirmed that Dorn lists:
Xzar
Safana
Jaheira
Viconia
Shar-Teel
Neera
Kagain
And probably a whole lot more. What a doucher.
My CHA is 11... after I used the tome.
Speaking of Shar-Teel and Eldoth ... went to recruit Skie and drop Safana, my rep was quite low so I thought Safana would leave, she didn't though and instead just waited in Skie's bedroom. Left the Silvershield estate and Eldoth really pisses Shar-Teel off, for the last time it would seem. BAM, Eldoth chunked. Hahaha poor Skie. Wasn't too bad though, went back and picked up Safana, grabbed the tome of intelligence and dualled her to Mage. Problem solved.
EDIT: or the friendship spell
Also, I forgot about that stupid Helm of Glory, hence the bitterness/suspicion of the high Charisma. I did not mean to offend, in truth my Dwarf is also jealous. My Half-Orc is tempted to rip you limb from limb, but he just can't bring himself to do it because you are gorgeous, magnetic, and inspiring.
Good.
I understand why they chose Neutral Evil now. He is Lawful Evil by his insistence on killing betrayers, and yet he is Chaotic Evil because he enjoys bloodshed. That denotes a middle ground. Finally, he's a self-obsessed dickbag who talks AT you rather than WITH you it seems, which further denotes Neutral Evil as he is selfish.
I believe his need to mistrust the entire world because of the actions of a few shows how naïve and immature he is. His 15 Wisdom is a blatant lie.
His poor characterization doesn't get a free pass in my book just for originality, sorry.
Anyway, I can see Dorn as having 15 wisdom. His experiences have shown him that having trust in people can be a major downfall, and I imagine he's exploited that in the past before. He sees the party as untrustworthy, but doesn't go around killing them all because he knows they're helpful to his goals. He may be bloodthirsty, but he's also cautious, such as when you're encountering the undead before Kellyn.
At least to me, he doesn't seem evil for the sake of evil. He seems evil because evil gets results.