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What level do you dual class Imoen?

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  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    AHF said:

    (as under the BGII engine thieves get 40 points per level). .

    My BGII assigns 25 per level after first level.

    Sorry, yes you're correct, you only get 40 points at Level 1, 25 points/level is still more than BG1 though. Its true that hide in shadows/move silently is two skills in BGT/BG Tutu instead of one (stealth) in BG1, but if you're only putting skills for Imoen into Open Locks and Find Traps, you still have more points available to put into these, so can still reach 100% in both by level 6 for Imoen

  • ZundarZundar Member Posts: 6
    Before I had BG2 I never dual classed her. I was surprised to see that she had in BG2 and now had fewer levels of thief than what she finished BG at. Since BG2 I dual to wizard to follow the story though. I accept that she does that as canon and go along with it. I really don't care which is more powerful though. I play for the story more than anything else. So when I get BG:EE I'll dual her again, unless they announce that BG2:EE will have her at whatever we finish BG:EE with. In that case I may leaver her as a thief.
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  • bobivd68bobivd68 Member Posts: 5
    Mornmagor said:

    The hardest traps and locks in BG1 need 80% open lock and find traps skill. In TotSC, in some areas you need 100%.

    So, two options.

    1) You dual her at 6, have 80% in both skills and go mage/specialist mage. For the extra areas that need more skill, grab potions of thievery/perception/whatever. You won't need any more.

    2) You can still dual her at 7, to get 100% in both skills and not need anything else, since the xp cap will be higher and probably you'll still reach 9 in Mage. Level 7 is her canon dual-classing as well.

    To be honest i think both are viable, although probably you won't need more than 6 levels.

    If you go for level 7, then you can grab Coran to fill in until she gains Mage levels, since you're gonna be around Cloakwood anyway.

    Can anyone please explain how this works? On my game I've put points only in find traps and open locks and Imoen will not reach 100% in both at level 7. She is currently level 5 and has 70% find traps and 65% open locks (I've spent the 80% I've gotten so far between the two skills). The next 2 levels will give her 40% to spend which is not enough. Do you people get more than 20% per level or am I missing something else?
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    edited January 2013
    @bobivd68 - are you including her Dex bonuses? The main character sheet shows the correct values (when you level up I think it just shows the unadjusted values, I think) my level 7 Imoen is like this:

    Open Locks - 90
    Find Traps - 100 (just to be sure...)
    Pick Pockets -25
    Move Silently - 55 (includes +20 from Boots of Stealth)
    Hide in Shadows - 30 (includes +15 from Boots of Stealth)
    Detect Illusions - 0
    Set Traps - 25 (just started putting points into this, not worth it before level 6, but traps get good from level 6)

    I'm not going to dual Imoen (too tedious to manage and CHARNAME is a Fighter/Mage and I have Edwin too, so am not short of spells...) but will now focus her on Set Traps, she'll just use Invisibility (cast by Edwin) to backstab. I have Montaron as well, he has most of his points in Move Silently/Hide in Shadows for scouting duty and backstabs, now moving into putting points into Pickpockets. Having two thieves means you can cover all the bases, and evil parties can't have a Ranger (and I didn't want a Monk), so need another scout.

    BTW if you decide not to dual at level 9 you get x4 backstab. You also get another proficiency point at Level 8 and set traps goes looks like this from level 6 (not sure what it does before then):

    Level 6 Trap:
    Deals 2d8+5 damage to any enemies within the area
    of effect of the Trap when it goes off. This is non-magical damage
    so Magic Resistence can't stop it (as is the same for all initial
    damage of later Traps).

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  • bobivd68bobivd68 Member Posts: 5
    @Oxford_Guy
    Thank you for your answer and advice. For some reason it doesn't really display her thief skills being affected by her Dex but I assume they are. If I understood correctly the bonus is +15% to Open locks and +5% to Find traps at 18 Dex which would still put me 5% shy of a 100% on both when I reach level 7. I don't know how people do it...I assume they get her Dex to 19 somehow. Anyway I'm not really using her as a backstabber and I want to dual her mainly for canon reasons.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    bobivd68 said:

    @Oxford_Guy
    Thank you for your answer and advice. For some reason it doesn't really display her thief skills being affected by her Dex but I assume they are. If I understood correctly the bonus is +15% to Open locks and +5% to Find traps at 18 Dex which would still put me 5% shy of a 100% on both when I reach level 7. I don't know how people do it...I assume they get her Dex to 19 somehow. Anyway I'm not really using her as a backstabber and I want to dual her mainly for canon reasons.

    I only have her with 18 Dex and the values I listed above are what are actually shown on her character sheet, are you sure you didn't put any points elsewhere?
  • bobivd68bobivd68 Member Posts: 5
    @Oxford_Guy
    Yes I am sure. On the character sheet it displays the same points which I see when leveling her. At level 1 she has 25% Open Locks, 30% Stealth, 30% Find Traps and 25% Pick Pockets. For every level after that I get 20% to spend. I'm at level 5 now so I've spent 80% so far. I've put 40% in Open Locks to make it 65% and 40% in Find Traps making it 70%. By the time I reach level 7 I will have 40% more to spend and that's far from enough to reach 100% in both skills. I really don't get it.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    bobivd68 said:

    @Oxford_Guy
    Yes I am sure. On the character sheet it displays the same points which I see when leveling her. At level 1 she has 25% Open Locks, 30% Stealth, 30% Find Traps and 25% Pick Pockets. For every level after that I get 20% to spend. I'm at level 5 now so I've spent 80% so far. I've put 40% in Open Locks to make it 65% and 40% in Find Traps making it 70%. By the time I reach level 7 I will have 40% more to spend and that's far from enough to reach 100% in both skills. I really don't get it.

    You're not wearing the Elven Chain, the +2 "Rugged Leathers" or Hide armour are you? These (only) are the only thief-wearable armours that have a negative effect on thieving abilities, see:
    http://www.pocketplane.net/volothamp/chap6.htm
  • bobivd68bobivd68 Member Posts: 5
    @Oxford_Guy
    I'm not but even with bonuses from Dex I would still be at 95% in one of the two skills so I don't understand how people are getting more points than me.
  • lDanielHolmlDanielHolm Member Posts: 225
    Are you playing the original Baldur's Gate? BG2 and BG:EE get 25% points per level.
    ZuttiProont
  • bobivd68bobivd68 Member Posts: 5

    Are you playing the original Baldur's Gate? BG2 and BG:EE get 25% points per level.

    Yes I am playing the original one. I have the 4 in 1 boxset. Thanks for clarifying. I guess I will get Find Traps to 100% and put as many points as I can in Open Locks.
  • lothos1103lothos1103 Member Posts: 20
    Mmkay, I'm not sure if I'm doing something or did something wrong but you guys are talking like you can still use all of her thief abilities when you turn her into a mage. I saw the option to do this for her early on but looked on here for advice so I waited until level 6 to turn her into a mage. When I finally did it, it dropped all of her skills (all she can do is use a damn sling which never hits because her THAC0 got reset), put her at a level 1 mage, can't use any of the weapons that she used to use as a thief, etc. The only thing she carried over was her health. Even then, the only thing she gains on level up is more spells to learn. It's like she was never a Thief. When I go to her character sheet, all it says about being a thief is "Inactive".

    Like I said, I'm not sure if I did something wrong or missing the option to configure her tool bar to get her to use old thief abilities but all I'm seeing now is the biggest mistake I made in my game. If I am missing something, please enlighten me. I will take the "omg newb!!1!" rage on the chin if that's the method you prefer. :P
  • mjsmjs Member Posts: 742
    edited January 2013
    @lothos1103

    you have to exceed your previous class level with your new class level before you regain you old class's ability

    in short you need to level imoen up to 7
    lothos1103Proont
  • atcDaveatcDave Member Posts: 2,146
    I usually don't dual her at all, 90% of my play-throughs she is my only thief but I always have another Mage. So Imoen just stays my only thief. On occasion, I'll have Coran or some other thief with my party; then I will dual Imoen at 6th level.
    Oxford_GuyProont
  • lothos1103lothos1103 Member Posts: 20
    Thanks guys! After typing that over, that same thought dawned on me that maybe I need to level her mage up to my thief level in order to even out. Makes sense now! :)
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