Dark Moon Monk Chill Touch

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• Medillen Member Posts: 632

  March 2013

  This isn't a bug though, but a rebalancing feature request

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• Fardragon Member Posts: 4,511

  March 2013 edited March 2013

  No, I don't think it's WAI. Why go to the trouble of giving the class an ability that makes them worse than when they don't use it?
  
  If it was intended to weaken the class, it would be on all the time, surely? A nerf isn't a nerf if you can avoid it by not pressing the button.

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• Medillen Member Posts: 632

  March 2013

  Giving this ability doesn't weaken the class, since you are free to use it (or not). Furthermore, dealing frost damage might come in handy in some situation. Not every class ability is useful. The best exemple would be... well... Chilling hand from mage
  
  (Having said that, I do agree that the damage should scale in some way. But that's rebalancing issue).

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• Madhax Member Posts: 1,416

  March 2013

  Intentional or not, it should be changed. If it was simply a matter of giving the class a better low-level punch, that would be fine. But since it's clearly intended as a replacement for Stunning Blow and the monk continually receives more uses of it as the monk levels up, there should be some amount of scaling.
  
  Given that a monk able to use Chill Touch is, I believe, the first ever instance of a character with better-than-usual punching strength using the spell, it might not be possible to allow the monk to use their improved melee power for the attack. If that's the case, can we get the cold damage to scale with level, similarly to how the Sun Soul Monk's Soulray scales with level? An extra 1d8 per 4-6 levels might be sufficient, capping at ~4d8 or so.

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• Fardragon Member Posts: 4,511

  March 2013

  Simply setting the Monk version of Chill Touch to 1d6 + 1d8 cold would mean it wouldn't avarage lower than a standard punch, or not having a saving throw for the cold damage, would solve the problem.
  
  It's a bit tricky where saving throws are involved, and they tend to be worse at high level, but if you assume that enemies save around 50% of the time, Chill Touch avarages around 4 points of damage, wheras a standard 1d10 monk attack averages 5.5 points.

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• Schneidend Member Posts: 3,190

  June 2013

  Assuming this hasn't been fixed by now, the spell description does say it deals punch damage. Punch damage for the Monk is better, so the spell should do the proper punch damage in the Monk's hands. Pun intended.
  
  Question, does the Monk get his extra unarmed attacks per round when using Chill Touch?

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• elminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,315

  August 2013 edited August 2013

  I support this

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• Dee Member Posts: 10,447

  August 2013

  We'll be changing the Dark Moon Monk's Chill Touch ability to "Frozen Fist", which gives the monk's attacks +2 cold damage for one round per level. Since it's just a modification of the monk's existing attacks it will just modify the monk's already-scaling fist damage, and let the monk make its normal number of attacks per round (thus letting the ability scale naturally with level).

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• elminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,315

  August 2013 edited August 2013

  Dee said:

  We'll be changing the Dark Moon Monk's Chill Touch ability to "Frozen Fist", which gives the monk's attacks +2 cold damage for one round per level. Since it's just a modification of the monk's existing attacks it will just modify the monk's already-scaling fist damage, and let the monk make its normal number of attacks per round (thus letting the ability scale naturally with level).

  Neat

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