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Why ranger archer have to be neutral good or better?

BolekBolek Member Posts: 60
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I've just wanted to create another char. The idea was to assemble neutral evil team. So I would go with Edwin, Montaron, Kagain, Viconia and Dorn. Quite offensive team so I've decided to go fully offensive and myself ranger archer since IMO archer are the best damage per round. BUT here comes the problem - It is virtually impossible to creat neutral evil ranger archer. What do you think about it?

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  • ShinShin Member Posts: 2,345
    Rangers, much like paladins, are inherently good and will 'fall' if they don't stick to their code and act honourably.
  • SionIVSionIV Member Posts: 2,689
    Make your ranger, then change his alignment to neutral evil with shadowkeeper. Problem solved.
  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    Rangers - kits included - have to be a good alignment (either lawful good, neutral good, or chaotic good). As for why that is... well, because the D&D rules say so. I seem to remember reading that Gary Gygax (co-creator of D&D) based the ranger class on Aragorn (from Lord of the Rings), so that's why they have to be good.
  • BolekBolek Member Posts: 60
    Fair enough. I guess I can arrange this that way, Kagain and Dorn goes melle, montaron uses crossbow, I will go defensive as a prot healer. @Tj_Hooker - interesting new about Aragorn inspiration. However it would be go to be able to play skillful evil archer. Seriously, what a damage! Don't you agree?
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    TJ_Hooker said:

    Rangers - kits included - have to be a good alignment (either lawful good, neutral good, or chaotic good). As for why that is... well, because the D&D rules say so. I seem to remember reading that Gary Gygax (co-creator of D&D) based the ranger class on Aragorn (from Lord of the Rings), so that's why they have to be good.

    Yes, and because the minimum stat rolls for rags is high, and with great power comes great responsibility.

    We have been discussing the need for a trap using evil rag kit but it is in essence, a pipe dream.

    If they can make evil paladins and good assassins they can make evil rangers
  • CutlassJackCutlassJack Member Posts: 493
    They removed that restriction in later editions of D&D (3+). In Neverwinter Nights 2 for example, you have an evil ranger companion who's pretty cool.

    But here, we're stuck with 2.5 rules.
  • MadhaxMadhax Member Posts: 1,416
    There's an old BG2 mod somewhere on the interwebs for the "generic archer", a ranged fighter kit. Not sure if it's compatible with the Enhanced Edition, but you could look it up. You could perhaps approximate it via EEkeeper and some self-imposed restrictions.
  • Lord_TansheronLord_Tansheron Member Posts: 4,211
    @Madhax: it should work with BG:EE, same with the Anti-Paladin which comes with the same mod.
  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 2,072
    I do think it would have been cool if Overhaul had added an evil Ranger kit alongside Blackguard.
  • DurenasDurenas Member Posts: 508
    Bolek said:

    I've just wanted to create another char. The idea was to assemble neutral evil team. So I would go with Edwin, Montaron, Kagain, Viconia and Dorn. Quite offensive team so I've decided to go fully offensive and myself ranger archer since IMO archer are the best damage per round. BUT here comes the problem - It is virtually impossible to creat neutral evil ranger archer. What do you think about it?

    What is better than neutral good?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    If you're looking to roll an evil ranged specialist and don't want to go the generic archer route, you could roll up an axe-throwing Kensai. They get the same hit and damage bonuses an archer gets (only faster because of faster leveling) and Kai > Called Shot. Unfortunately, the only magic returning throwing axe is deep in Durlag's, but you can get by with normal throwing axes and the magic ones Taerom sells in the mean time. Otherwise, there's the bow-using assassin, since poison weapon works with ranged attacks.
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    I thought you could get a returning throwing axe in the caves beneath candelkeep after the catacombs from the one group that works for Serevok. Am I making this up?
    There should be an evil ranger kit like blackguard for paladins. You would think they could be at least neutral like Druids.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    meagloth said:

    I thought you could get a returning throwing axe in the caves beneath candelkeep after the catacombs from the one group that works for Serevok. Am I making this up?

    You're right, I think I got my wires crossed with Bala's Axe. So pretty late in the game.

  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Just make a fighter with Grandmastery in Bows. You'll still be able to wear metal armor, although you lose that "Called Shot" Ability. Generally, you will still be able to hit anything you aim at.
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Amberion said:

    Bolek said:

    I've just wanted to create another char. The idea was to assemble neutral evil team. So I would go with Edwin, Montaron, Kagain, Viconia and Dorn. Quite offensive team so I've decided to go fully offensive and myself ranger archer since IMO archer are the best damage per round. BUT here comes the problem - It is virtually impossible to creat neutral evil ranger archer. What do you think about it?

    What is better than neutral good?
    Neutral evil. ^^

  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,315
    KidCarnival said:

    Amberion said:

    Bolek said:

    I've just wanted to create another char. The idea was to assemble neutral evil team. So I would go with Edwin, Montaron, Kagain, Viconia and Dorn. Quite offensive team so I've decided to go fully offensive and myself ranger archer since IMO archer are the best damage per round. BUT here comes the problem - It is virtually impossible to creat neutral evil ranger archer. What do you think about it?

    What is better than neutral good?
    Neutral evil. ^^

    Chaotic neutral :)
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