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Question about Advanced D&D rule

HelminoHelmino Member Posts: 106
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heya, the question are simple, in AD&D you can muticlass a class/kit? and you can dual class a class/kit? I ask about rule of d&d, i know in baldur's it can't be done. Thank all in advance

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  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    From my readings of various 2E DnD books, you cannot ever multi-class kits. You *can* however dual-class into kits under specific circumstances, but only from an unkitted class (so you cannot dual from one kit into another, you are only permitted a single kit). It also seems to depend somewhat on the class. The Complete Book of Clerics, for example, doesn't have anything about permitting dualling into a kit, but the Complete Book of Thieves does.

    From the descriptions, in 2E it seems like dualling into a kit was a difficult and time-consuming procedure that was only permitted at the DM's discretion, and usually required the character to take several months or even a year or more out of the ongoing adventure in order to re-train.
  • HelminoHelmino Member Posts: 106
    edited November 2013
    Eudaemonium said:

    From my readings of various 2E DnD books, you cannot ever multi-class kits. You *can* however dual-class into kits under specific circumstances, but only from an unkitted class (so you cannot dual from one kit into another, you are only permitted a single kit). It also seems to depend somewhat on the class. The Complete Book of Clerics, for example, doesn't have anything about permitting dualling into a kit, but the Complete Book of Thieves does.

    From the descriptions, in 2E it seems like dualling into a kit was a difficult and time-consuming procedure that was only permitted at the DM's discretion, and usually required the character to take several months or even a year or more out of the ongoing adventure in order to re-train.

    Thanks for the answer, so is legal to dual class a fighter to an assassin for example? do you know wich class/kits can't follow this procedure?
    Oh and BArd can't dual or be the second class of dual right in the rule?
  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    edited November 2013
    Technically yes, it is (I actually run one myself). Assassin is actually a bit of an odd-ball, since the Complete Book of Thieves actually says that *any* class can be an Assassin of some description (the example given is simply the Thief version of an assassin), but since we only have the Thief kit to work with, then yes you can.

    Regarding dualling into kits, the CBoT says:

    "If the character starts off as some other character class and then, later, switches to one of the thief classes, he can choose a Thief Kit at that time, though the DM may insist that certain campaign events take place in order for him to do this.
    "For instance, let us suppose that a human fighter decides, later in life, to become a thief, and he wants to be an Acrobat. there's nothing wrong with that, but the DM should insist that the next several adventures deal with the transformation. The character could join a circus, perhaps, where he could be taught the tricks of the trade. Adventures should be built around this setting, and should somehow involve the other player-characters as well.
    "To better simulate the wait involved for the character to learn his new trade, the DM is within his rights to insist that the character not receive his Thief Kit until he's reached second experience level in his new class."

    Pedantically, you could say that since the game engine (which functions as the DM) doesn't allow it then it is technically not legal, but whatever. Basically, its up to you to RP it however you see fit. :)

    EDIT: Vis-a-vis Bard, Bard's are hardcoded in BG to not be able to dual anyway so you couldn't run one even if it was legal. (I'm not sure if it is, though).

    About other classes and kits, I'm really not sure. I think all the Fighter and Thief Kits are fair game. The Druid Book doesn't mention Kits at all in the section on Multi- and Dual-Classing. Cleric only mentions dualling out of a Cleric kit, but it then says that they cannot pick a new kit as they can only have one kit ever, so maybe you can read it as allowing you to dual to a Cleric kit (seems legit, given you have found faith in a specific deity). the Wizard book doesn't mention it either.
  • HelminoHelmino Member Posts: 106
    Thanks, you are really gentle, want to roll an assassin probably and with a fighter i think he can really hit hard late game. as for bard you knwo if they can even dual or be part of dual? (Sorry i dont disturb you again xD)
  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    Yeah I just added this to my post :)

    EDIT: Vis-a-vis Bard, Bard's are hardcoded in BG to not be able to dual anyway so you couldn't run one even if it was legal. (I'm not sure if it is, though).

    I should also add that Bards *can* dual in PnP, but because of how BG is coded this is literally impossible.

    About other classes and kits, I'm really not sure. I think all the Fighter and Thief Kits are fair game. The Druid Book doesn't mention Kits at all in the section on Multi- and Dual-Classing. Cleric only mentions dualling out of a Cleric kit, but it then says that they cannot pick a new kit as they can only have one kit ever, so maybe you can read it as allowing you to dual to a Cleric kit (seems legit, given you have found faith in a specific deity). The Wizard book doesn't mention it either, except the 'Witch' kit (not in BG) cannot be multi- or dual-classed at all.

  • HelminoHelmino Member Posts: 106
    Thank you for your answer, i think that i can run a fighter assassin with shadowkeeper and dont feel weak in tob :)
  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869
    edited November 2013
    Actually clerics and bards specifically do allow multiclass kits. As do multiclass-only kits such as the bladesinger or Spell-filtcher.

    Multi-Clerics specifically can take any cleric kit they qualify for. Mythos Clerics are like Mage Specialists and can take a kit on top if they still qualify (some settings do not have generic clerics at all, like Forgotten Realms*). It also depends on the god you worship, since they may have additional restrictions.

    Only certain combinations are allowed for bard kits.

    Dwarf -
    Fighter/Skald or chanter

    Elf -
    Fighter/Minstrel
    Thief/Gypsy

    Gnome -
    Illusionist/Professor
    Thief/Professor or Jongleur

    Half-Elf -
    Fighter/Bard, Blade, Gallant, Skald
    Ranger/Meistersinger
    Mage/Loremaster or Riddlemaster
    Cleric/Bard
    Druid/Meistersinger
    Thief/Bard or Gypsy or Jongleur or Thespian

    Halfling -
    Thief/Jongleur


    * -
    While Forgotten Realms does not have generic clerics per say, they do have Cleric of "X", which changes the base abilities of the class to fit their chosen god's theme and portfolios (Some like Talos are pretty dramatically different, by being unable to cast any spell that restores or creates but gains greater access to elemental and weather spheres, and have no restrictions on their gear). And then there are god-specific kits on top for the truly devoted of a god that have different abilities from those of the "lesser" devotees.
    Post edited by ZanathKariashi on
  • HelminoHelmino Member Posts: 106
    Thanks for this answers too :) bit baldurs doesnt allow for that right?
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