They get Wings in PnP? I believe they got Draconic Form in PnP which can sometimes result in Wings. The only 100% sure class to get wings is Favored Soul*
*This class does not exist in BG:EE, but if you want to see what's about this class, check here, also you can check for more references here and here
Red Dragon Disciples get wings at maximum 10th level in NWN 1, but they're really silly looking, small, little bat wing looking things that don't do anything. Also, it's a prestige class for bards and sorcerers that adds melee abilities and stat boosts only, as well as a few weak breath weapon uses, which allows them to be kind of like fighter-mages, but it's highly arguable whether the benefits are worth sacrificing ten levels of spell and/or song progression.
Red Dragon Disciples get wings at maximum 10th level in NWN 1, but they're really silly looking, small, little bat wing looking things that don't do anything. Also, it's a prestige class for bards and sorcerers that adds melee abilities and stat boosts only, as well as a few weak breath weapon uses, which allows them to be kind of like fighter-mages, but it's highly arguable whether the benefits are worth sacrificing ten levels of spell and/or song progression.
but it's highly arguable whether the benefits are worth sacrificing ten levels of spell and/or song progression.
I quite like being able to stand in an Incendiary Cloud blasting away Fireballs and laughing at my enemies with beefed-up charisma/constitution to boot. But yes, I guess it's "arguable" how good every (prestige) class is, technically, if you're all min-maxy about it. RDD is good enough to get you through all of the Neverwinter Nights (2) campaigns on Core Rules difficulty though, and most modules I've played too, so I'm not sure there's much of a sacrifice to speak of.
Red Dragon Disciple, while require at least level 1 into an arcane class to be accessible, isn't a prestige class for casters.
Yes, it's a prestige class. I believe that you need to be able to cast level 3 arcane spells, and need to be able to spontaneously cast them (i.e. like a sorcerer or 3rd edition bard). You get a reduced casting progression in favor of what ultimately becomes the half-dragon template at level 10.
EDIT - Describing the PnP version here. Since people are also comparing NWN, NWN2, I thought it was worth specifying what my answer related to. The true source, in this case.
Red Dragon Disciples get wings at maximum 10th level in NWN 1, but they're really silly looking, small, little bat wing looking things that don't do anything. Also, it's a prestige class for bards and sorcerers that adds melee abilities and stat boosts only, as well as a few weak breath weapon uses, which allows them to be kind of like fighter-mages, but it's highly arguable whether the benefits are worth sacrificing ten levels of spell and/or song progression.
The RDD wings in NWN looked a lot better to me once I realized they're folded up. They'd be a lot bigger if you actually used 'em.
Also, RDD does give you levels of your spellcasting class, so you don't exactly sacrifice spell progression.
Also, RDD does give you levels of your spellcasting class, so you don't exactly sacrifice spell progression.
The RDD in NwN indeed sacrifices spell progression, as the prestige class doesn't grant bonus spell slots, nor increases the caster level. The RDD in NwN2 on the other hand received bonus spells for every non-odd level of the prestige class though.
The Dragon Disciple was never a prestige class intended for innate arcane spellcasters who want to master the Art. Not even in PnP. But giving it's a transformational class, it doesn't really depend on magic like other arcane caster classes do.
NWN RDD seems super useless now, especially for Deekin in HotU! What the hell, Bioware? If Nerds want to be good at hitting things, maybe they shouldn't waste levels on being a Nerd!
@Schneidend Try using the Dragon Disciple in NwN with the Player Resource Consortium installed. While it doesn't add a spellcasting pogression to the RDD, the mod brings the prestige class to its PnP 3rd edition counterpart (see link for all the RDD goodies that BIOWARE regrettable left out, for whatever reason). Not to mention all the nifty draconic feats and dragonblooded subraces that mod adds.
NWN RDD seems super useless now, especially for Deekin in HotU! What the hell, Bioware? If Nerds want to be good at hitting things, maybe they shouldn't waste levels on being a Nerd!
Nah, there are some good RDD builds if you just pick up one level of sorc, and make the rest paladin or barbarian.
You make Deekin a RDD if charname is a squishy caster and you want him to tank.
I found the wings @Crevsdaak was talking about in ee keeper. They are a helmet with a weird name ("fallen archer" was the name if it in my save). They look like deva wings, and look decent on aerie. I didn't test them much besides equipping so they could crash the game, dunno. They don't look like DD wings though.
@Schneidend, becoming a red dragon disciple makes some roleplaying sense for Deekin, because of his background as a dragon slave, and his fascination with the genetic relationship between kobolds and dragons. By the time he has the option to start taking RDD levels in Hordes of the Underdark, his bard song and spells are already fairly maxed out anyway, so he might as well "take a few levels in badass", plus, I think he gets some special fun dialogues if you let him start learning RDD.
I found the wings @Crevsdaak was talking about in ee keeper. They are a helmet with a weird name ("fallen archer" was the name if it in my save). They look like deva wings, and look decent on aerie. I didn't test them much besides equipping so they could crash the game, dunno. They don't look like DD wings though.
They get the same color you choose for your hair, so you can even choose red, to make them more rdd-like
They get Wings in PnP? I believe they got Draconic Form in PnP which can sometimes result in Wings. The only 100% sure class to get wings is Favored Soul*
*This class does not exist in BG:EE, but if you want to see what's about this class, check here, also you can check for more references here and here
In PNP DnD they 100% get wings... at level 9.
DRAGON DISCIPLE
Hit Die: d12.
Requirements
To qualify to become a dragon disciple, a character must fulfill all the following criteria. Race: Any nondragon (cannot already be a half-dragon). Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 8 ranks. Languages: Draconic. Spellcasting: Ability to cast arcane spells without preparation. Special: The player chooses a dragon variety when taking the first level in this prestige class.
Class Skills
The dragon disciple’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Gather Information (Cha), Knowledge (all skills, taken individually) (Int) Listen (Wis), Profession (Wis), Search (Int), Speak Language (Int), Spellcraft (Int), and Spot (Wis).
@spaceinvader interesting info about color of the wings, I might make a character based on the wings for giggles. RDD would definitely fit, I wonder what other race/class would fit.
Interesting you can use infinity engine editor and assign the wings to any helm you desire
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*This class does not exist in BG:EE, but if you want to see what's about this class, check here, also you can check for more references here and here
RDD was most beneficial in epic levels for NWN. It was the best way to get Dev Crit with a AA.
In BG it is good for quick stat boosts and immunity.
EDIT - Describing the PnP version here. Since people are also comparing NWN, NWN2, I thought it was worth specifying what my answer related to. The true source, in this case.
Also, RDD does give you levels of your spellcasting class, so you don't exactly sacrifice spell progression.
The Dragon Disciple was never a prestige class intended for innate arcane spellcasters who want to master the Art. Not even in PnP. But giving it's a transformational class, it doesn't really depend on magic like other arcane caster classes do.
I'll see myself out.
@CoryNewb - That's probably for the best....
I'm learning things in this thread.
NWN RDD seems super useless now, especially for Deekin in HotU! What the hell, Bioware? If Nerds want to be good at hitting things, maybe they shouldn't waste levels on being a Nerd!
You make Deekin a RDD if charname is a squishy caster and you want him to tank.
DRAGON DISCIPLE
Hit Die: d12.
Requirements
To qualify to become a dragon disciple, a character must fulfill all the following criteria.
Race: Any nondragon (cannot already be a half-dragon).
Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 8 ranks.
Languages: Draconic.
Spellcasting: Ability to cast arcane spells without preparation.
Special: The player chooses a dragon variety when taking the first level in this prestige class.
Class Skills
The dragon disciple’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Gather Information (Cha), Knowledge (all skills, taken individually) (Int) Listen (Wis), Profession (Wis), Search (Int), Speak Language (Int), Spellcraft (Int), and Spot (Wis).
Skill Points at Each Level: 2 + Int modifier.
Table: The Dragon Disciple
Level
Base
Attack
Bonus
Fort
Save
Ref
Save
Will
Save
Special
Bonus
Spells
1st +0 +2 +0 +2 Natural armor increase (+1) 1
2nd +1 +3 +0 +3 Ability boost (Str +2), claws and bite 1
3rd +2 +3 +1 +3 Breath weapon (2d8) 0
4th +3 +4 +1 +4 Ability boost (Str +2), natural armor increase (+2) 1
5th +3 +4 +1 +4 Blindsense 30 ft. 1
6th +4 +5 +2 +5 Ability boost (Con +2) 1
7th +5 +5 +2 +5 Breath weapon (4d8), natural armor increase (+3) 0
8th +6 +6 +2 +6 Ability boost (Int +2) 1
9th +6 +6 +3 +6 Wings 1
10th +7 +7 +3 +7 Blindsense 60 ft., dragon apotheosis 0
Interesting you can use infinity engine editor and assign the wings to any helm you desire