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Why can't I make my Archer Dual-Class?

SimnaSimna Member Posts: 21
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I wanna make my Archer an Archer/Fighter, but I can't. What can be wrong?
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  • ShinShin Member Posts: 2,345
    Not all dual class combinations are possible.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    Rangers can only be dual-classed to cleric.
    For any other combination, you'd need to either modify the game .2da's with an text editor, or use EE Keeper.
  • SimnaSimna Member Posts: 21
    My Archer is a human Ranger, but I can't Dual-Class at all. These are my stats; Str 17, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 12. Has it to do with the stats?
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    Yes. To dual-class into Cleric you'd need to have a Wisdom score of 17.
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    In vanilla BG2 Archers and Stalker couldn't dual-class at all.
  • SimnaSimna Member Posts: 21
    OK. So no Dual-Class for me then.
    Thanks for your answers.
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    @Sinma your welcome :)
  • victory_rosevictory_rose Member Posts: 72
    The only class your Archer can dual-class into is Cleric, and for that, you would need Wis 17. And as for dual-classing an Archer into Cleric, it wouldn't make much sense (in my opinion) because you would only be able to use the weapons allowed for clerics, i.e. slings and blunt weapons.
  • SimnaSimna Member Posts: 21
    OK, I understand. Thank you victory_rose.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited January 2014
    Are you playing BGEE or BG2EE? If its BGEE then its possible that eventually you will be able to dual class (because you can boost your wisdom to 17). Though in my opinion you are better off staying as an archer.
  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 2,308
    dual classing for the archer kit should be disabled again
  • ryuken87ryuken87 Member Posts: 563
    bob_veng said:

    dual classing for the archer kit should be disabled again

    Why?

  • golingarfgolingarf Member Posts: 157
    edited January 2014
    Actually an Archer 13/Cleric with grand mastery in slings is a pretty decent build, especially considering you can use Holy Power to get a Fighter's THAC0 and Draw Upon Holy Might to pump up your strength score into the 20's. I'm not sure what game you're playing, but if you're in BG1 you might still be able to do it using three tomes of wisdom.
  • moody_magemoody_mage Member Posts: 2,054
    Simna said:

    I wanna make my Archer an Archer/Fighter, but I can't. What can be wrong?

    Also you can't dual from a warrior class into another warrior class (Fighter and Ranger are both subsets of Warriors)

  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    CrevsDaak said:

    In vanilla BG2 Archers and Stalker couldn't dual-class at all.

    This isn't technically true. I believe they actually could before ToB. When ToB came out it changed it so that they couldn't, for some odd reason (though Archer does not synergise well with Cleric at all).
  • QueegonQueegon Member Posts: 363
    golingarf said:

    Actually an Archer 13/Cleric with grand mastery in slings is a pretty decent build, especially considering you can use Holy Power to get a Fighter's THAC0 and Draw Upon Holy Might to pump up your strength score into the 20's. I'm not sure what game you're playing, but if you're in BG1 you might still be able to do it using three tomes of wisdom.

    If only Archer could get Sling Grandmastery, that is. Only bows, and x-bows are entitled to GM.
    Tried it with EEKeeper, it was VERY strong (not even considering the all-divine spellcasting).
  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 2,308
    @ryuken87 because^
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    Archers shouldn't be able to dual class because they can't grandmastery slings? That makes no sense :(
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    FinneousPJ said:

    Archers shouldn't be able to dual class because they can't grandmastery slings? That makes no sense :(

    But no one explained why a Stalker wasn't able to dual-class in BG2 vanilla...
    I think it was because of a mistake!
  • GamingFreakGamingFreak Member Posts: 639
    Archers should totally be allowed to Dual-Class to a Cleric; that way, when they get their levels back and realize they can't GM in slings, they can go "well gee, that was a massive mistake, wasn't it?"

    It's like people who would dual class a Kensai to a Cleric... Why. Would. You. *EVER*. DO THAT!?
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    Kensai can get grand mastery in a blunt weapon, so, why not cleric?
  • sarevok57sarevok57 Member Posts: 6,038
    GamingFreak said:

    Archers should totally be allowed to Dual-Class to a Cleric; that way, when they get their levels back and realize they can't GM in slings, they can go "well gee, that was a massive mistake, wasn't it?"

    It's like people who would dual class a Kensai to a Cleric... Why. Would. You. *EVER*. DO THAT!?

    for complete spite

  • GamingFreakGamingFreak Member Posts: 639
    Fardragon said:

    Kensai can get grand mastery in a blunt weapon, so, why not cleric?

    Because you'd be a cleric with little to compensate for the lack of armor (though Armor of Faith and DoE +3 are nice, they aren't stone-skin + PfMW, iron skin, or use-any-item), with a neat hit/damage bonus, but nothing that cleric buffs can't replace. They can't use shields, so tanking isn't a good option for them, and their Kai ability is made completely trivial through the existence of Holy Power. A standard Fighter/Cleric or a Berserker/Cleric would be better suited for the role.

    Kensai/Cleric is viable but totally pointless; it only serves to hurt your play-through rather than help it.
  • golingarfgolingarf Member Posts: 157
    edited January 2014
    Queegon said:

    golingarf said:

    Actually an Archer 13/Cleric with grand mastery in slings is a pretty decent build, especially considering you can use Holy Power to get a Fighter's THAC0 and Draw Upon Holy Might to pump up your strength score into the 20's. I'm not sure what game you're playing, but if you're in BG1 you might still be able to do it using three tomes of wisdom.

    If only Archer could get Sling Grandmastery, that is. Only bows, and x-bows are entitled to GM.
    Tried it with EEKeeper, it was VERY strong (not even considering the all-divine spellcasting).
    Oh, well then. Thanks for that, I was almost going to try that class.

    Edit: Actually, though, after looking over the rules I think it's still quite viable even with only regular specialization. You will still get the +4 to hit and damage, and the called shots. I might try it anyway.
  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 2,308
    FinneousPJ said:

    Archers shouldn't be able to dual class because they can't grandmastery slings? That makes no sense :(

    Primary reason: Archer/cleric can't use bows and crossbows which is paradoxical.

    Secondary reason: Having acces to grandmastery in slings would sort of overcome that paradox, but they can only have proficiency in those. A cleric can also have it. A ranger/cleric would be about just as good at using slings (he'd have specialization, but no archer missile weapon bonuses) while also being able to wear metal armor.

    So an archer/cleric would be a thoroughly inferior and pointless kit, unless somebody levelled the archer to around level 18 to get +6 to damage with slings. that would be it's only perk (4 points more than a specialized ranger, woot), pretty pathetic.

    So it was a forbidden dual class because it makes no sense and it's pathetic, makes perfect sense to me.

  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    I still don't see why it should be forbidden, lol. Whether it's inferior to a ranger/cleric is irrelevant. If don't want to roll an archer/cleric don't - but don't forbid other people from doing that if they want to...
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    GamingFreak said:

    Archers should totally be allowed to Dual-Class to a Cleric; that way, when they get their levels back and realize they can't GM in slings, they can go "well gee, that was a massive mistake, wasn't it?"

    It's like people who would dual class a Kensai to a Cleric... Why. Would. You. *EVER*. DO THAT!?

    I've done a kensai/cleric and it was a great character... "Oh... you would not part an old man from his walking stick?"
  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 2,308
    FinneousPJ said:

    I still don't see why it should be forbidden, lol. Whether it's inferior to a ranger/cleric is irrelevant. If don't want to roll an archer/cleric don't - but don't forbid other people from doing that if they want to...

    if nothing else, i say forbid it if it's terribly bad flavor.
    an archer that can't use bows - it reeks so bad.
  • kaffekoppenkaffekoppen Member Posts: 377
    How about a Halfling Slinger class then? I'd play that in a heartbeat. We're missing out on something awesome here!

    No, I don't mean someone who throws halflings, although that probably would be a cool class for an ogre or a giant.
  • kryptixkryptix Member Posts: 741
    Archer can still wear white dragon scale so eventually it's a moot point?
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