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Critiquing The EEs: A Pure Story Perspective 2/6

shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
Welcome to Part 2 of a critical look at Beamdog’s creative contributions to Baldur’s Gate. We’re going to analyze and discuss the Enhanced Edition characters and their storylines, and try to highlight problem spots that - much like gameplay bugs - could potentially be smoothed over and patched.

This is not the place for statements of blind support or blind hatred of Beamdog. If that’s all you have to contribute to the conversation, please take your comments elsewhere.

In our previous thread, we discussed the half-orc blackguard, Dorn il-Khan. Today’s subject:

Chultan, lesbian, vampire – Hexxat. Certainly the most controversial addition to the Enhanced Edition, it’s also fair to say that she’s the most ambitious of the new characters.

To understand why Hexxat turned out the way she did, we must understand that more than any EE NPC, she is the product of constraints imposed by necessity. Historically, unless Evil PCs had thief skills (multiclass, dual-class, kit), an Evil party had to include Jan (whose role as comedy relief clashes with Edwin’s) or Imoen (plot-relevant, certainly, but hobbled by being unable to actually improve her thief skills). So long before we knew anything else about Hexxat, we knew she had to be an evil thief. She also had to be the same-sex female romance, because BG2:EE is a post-Juhani, post-Leliana, post-Liara game. And, of course, she had to be exceptional, to suit the thematic and mechanical formula of Evil party members: outcasts and criminals and monsters all, and supremely powerful examples of their classes to balance out the XP/gold penalties.

Before getting deeper into Hexxat’s storyline and characterization, I want to talk a bit about vampirism. It makes sense that a vampire would be just as welcome to Team Evil as a dwarf berserker, a drow, a Red Wizard of Thay, a half-orc blackguard and a twice-dead Deathbringer Bhaalspawn. However, Beamdog cherry-picked vampiric traits for Hexxat: she gets the stat bonuses, but not the level-draining (for obvious reasons); she’s immune to poison but not healing magic; she can withstand sunlight and is functionally immortal thanks to Dragomir’s Cloak and Respite, but her need for blood has no gameplay ramifications at all. Only one exchange with Aerie in ToB sheds any light on how Hexxat is sustaining herself during your travels, and it’s an implausible answer when a much simpler one is available: Hexxat could just as easily be feeding on the many, many enemies that come your way. A comment on the taste of troll blood, or something similar, is really all it takes to close this plothole.

Now, consistency with the “rules” of Forgotten Realms vampires wouldn’t matter that much… except that you’re constantly fighting vampires in BG2. You have so many opportunities to see what they can do, and it’s never clear why Hexxat doesn’t conform to that same set of rules.

An additional stumbling block in her reception among BG’s existing fanbase is simply that the concept of a vampire party member isn’t nearly as revolutionary as one might assume: a popular mod allows you to recruit the vampire Valen, whose design does follow vampire lore (and, consequently, makes her both tremendously overpowered and precarious in the sense that if she dies, she can’t be resurrected). Meanwhile, the Ascension mod lets you recruit Bodhi for the final battle. If the impetus had been to create a “monster”-type NPC, one must consider all the things Hexxat could have been – a duergar, a yuan-ti, a shadow, a sahuagin, even a goblin – against which being a “half-vampire” inevitably feels like a letdown.

It’s also been argued, and not without merit, that the end result of all these constraints causes Hexxat to play into two problematic tropes: the Tribal Woman and the Lesbian Vampire. It’s also created an unpleasant coincidence in that both same-sex romances are Evil (though we’ll get to that when we discuss Hexxat’s romance storyline). However, even if the resulting combination of traits was unavoidable, Hexxat could have overcome them by distinguishing herself as being more than the sum of those tropes. Unfortunately, the writers withhold too much information in their attempts to make Hexxat mysterious, and so her character never evolves to the point where we can see past those stereotypes.

To clarify this point, let’s look at her storyline in closer detail. I’ve said before that Dorn’s introduction in BG:EE is a clever bit of misdirection; Hexxat’s introduction takes that to a whole new level. She’s easy enough to find, waiting at the Copper Coronet, yet it’s clear that something is very wrong with her: she speaks in a very spaced-out tone, and single-mindedly demands that you take her to Dragomir’s Tomb in the Graveyard District.

Once you do so, Hexxat overcomes a barrier only she can pass through and awakens the Sleeper within: the real Hexxat. Your party member up until that point was a Dominated girl named Clara, who Hexxat promptly feeds upon and kills. As twists go, this is a very good one: the player has no reason to expect a bait-and-switch on that level. However, there’s a bit of a hiccup: before the grand revelation, you pick up an item called Dragomir’s Cloak, and the description clearly states it can only be worn by a vampire. This effectively spoils at least part of the twist – you’re going to have a vampire in your party. If there’s a technical way to keep that description text hidden until after the real Hexxat is recruited, I strongly suggest implementing it.

Your first exchange with Hexxat supposedly defines her character: she’s the ultimate survivor, and while she’ll work with you, you must never forget that she puts herself first. It would be a perfect encapsulation of the Neutral Evil philosophy, except that five minutes later she basically puts her life in your hands by giving you Dragomir’s Respite, the key to her survival. Here, already, we have a contradiction – one doesn’t survive for very long if you randomly trust strangers – and it won’t be the last.

(This is the place to note that, as with Gord Marriott, Sereana Malani does an outstanding job voicing Hexxat.)

At any rate, we have a character who’s been trapped in Dragomir’s Tomb for two hundred years. She has nothing to say about how Athkatla has changed. There’s no shock for her, no need to adjust. Admittedly, the “fish out of temporal waters” scenario is cliché in itself, so it’s probably a good thing Beamdog avoided going down that path; however, the time gap has other repercussions for her storyline.

Shortly after recruiting Hexxat, you meet up with Cabrina, an agent of her employer L. Cabrina is an incredibly amusing character – a twist on the Lecherous Pervert type – but here’s the thing: she knew Hexxat before the latter became a vampire, and yet, based on her comments, it’s clear that Cabrina isn’t undead herself. How, then, is she still alive two hundred years later? We don’t know, and this is an answer that’s going to come up again and again in relation to Hexxat: “We don’t know.”

(As with the vampiric feeding issue, there’s a very simple solution here: change Cabrina’s race to elf, and mention it just once in dialogue. This immediately resolves the question, since elves have a centuries-long lifespan anyway.)

Cabrina clarifies Hexxat’s mission: L has contracted her to steal three items from distant tombs all over the world, and Dragomir’s Casque was only the first. Hexxat feels obligated to complete this assignment, for reasons that will become clear later, and so the player accompanies her to Shou Lung and later Zakhara, solving puzzles and looting the tombs.

Now we come to the major structural flaw in Hexxat’s questline. Consider, as a point of comparison, Dorn’s quests, which we discussed last time. Nothing that happens in Resurrection Gorge actually triggers the events in Lunia, but both quests tell self-contained stories about Dorn himself, and are therefore successful as separate units. Rasaad and Neera, on the other hand, have much more conventional structures linked by causality: their ToB quests are the direct results of their SoA quests.

Neither of these approaches are applied to Hexxat: upon delivering the last item to Cabrina in SoA, she announces that Hexxat’s job is done and that L owes her a favor. And that’s it. There’s no immediate reward from L, no sense that Hexxat has achieved anything for herself by completing these tasks. We don’t even know (yet) what the significance of these items are, that we’ve been working to gather for L. And this has a negative impact on our perception of Hexxat, because it appears as though she put herself in a lot of danger simply to satisfy a two-hundred-year-old obligation – which runs counter to her survivalist mantra.

ToB will reveal the outcome of her bargain with L, but before I get to that, I want to discuss Hexxat’s characterization up until this point. The Shou Lung mission provides a brief glimpse into her backstory: she tells you a bit about her early years, her mother’s fate and so on. The interaction ends with Hexxat considering a return to Mezro, to see what’s become of her family – but after two hundred years, it doesn’t make sense that she’d even consider such a thing. Strangely, a later exchange with Cabrina implies that Hexxat’s imprisonment lasted decades rather than centuries – and while it’s clearly an error, this is actually the more plausible scenario. Had she spent fifty or seventy years in that tomb, Hexxat could at least face the realistic notion that she might find some kind of home for herself in Chult, with people who would actually know or remember her. (It would also explain her ability to function in “modern” Faerunian society.) Two hundred years is just too large a gap to work with the kind of emotions this scenario tries to evoke.

Hexxat’s interactions with other party members similarly falls into a strange middle ground. Naturally, her presence is anathema to Good characters, and nearly half the Good NPCs will openly rebel: Keldorn and Anomen are the obvious choices, Mazzy and Aerie less so. (Minsc doesn’t seem to have a problem with her, despite the fact that his racial enemy is vampire.) However, Hexxat’s reaction to these outbursts is surprisingly subdued. She’s always civil and apologetic, reminding them that she can’t help being what she is. It’s a somewhat bizarre choice, because it makes the Good characters seem intolerant and judgmental – not least because Aerie is the only one who actually makes a case against Hexxat based on something she did rather than what she is. Now, it’s entirely possible that Hexxat is simply putting on airs as a survival tactic… but because the mask never slips, the player can’t tell if she’s genuinely as stung by these rejections as she claims to be.

Tellingly, her interactions with Evil characters are another matter entirely: she fends off Dorn’s nagging to receive the mark of the vampire (because of course he’d want even more power); she takes pleasure in frustrating Edwin’s fascination with Dragomir’s Cloak; Korgan flirts with her only to get scared away; and her attempts at seducing Viconia go a long way towards communicating her loneliness without making the drow unsympathetic when she turns her down. It works so much better, goes so much more smoothly, that you can only conclude Hexxat was designed only with Team Evil in mind.

Speaking of seduction, I’ve already noted the uncomfortable implications of the two same-sex love interests being Evil, but the contrast becomes evident very early on, especially when you bring Viconia into the comparison. Romancing Dorn is a careful navigation of lust, power and violence; romancing Viconia can lead to real emotional intimacy, but you have to get past the fact that she comes from a matriarchal society and initially sees you as just another lowly male. But Hexxat’s romance is genuinely touching, as it puts both women on a level playing field: you assure her that you’re interested despite her condition, and she expresses desires she knows are problematic but which she can’t resist. This is not “Twilight”, and vampirism is a very real disadvantage in the relationship, but the alternating sweet and naughty exchanges give you the sense that it’s still a proper love story.

However, any discussion of Hexxat’s romance storyline must acknowledge that a huge chunk of it was cut from the game. Dummied-out data reveals that you would have eventually been able to convince her to turn you into a vampire. There are scripted reactions from each and every party member, the addition of a second sunlight protection item, and there are even dialogue options designed to suit different motivations: maybe you were just using her to gain immortality, or maybe it’s the only way the two of you can be together forever, whatever suits your roleplay.

According to the devs, this path was removed for technical reasons: grafting Hexxat’s undead traits onto the PC was too problematic, especially since it would effectively make the PC immortal. I’m not entirely sure I agree with that from a design perspective – if the player has no personal version of Dragomir’s Respite, there’s nowhere to retreat if they “die” as a vampire, and so the game engine could probably be programmed to interpret any “death” as disintegration. As it stands, the romance storyline builds so strongly towards that climax that it’s inevitably a letdown when the option doesn’t present itself.

Let’s move on to ToB. We reunite with Cabrina in Amkethran, and she informs us that Hexxat somehow got a message to L after completing the Zakhara mission. This will probably come as news to the player, who hasn’t seen Hexxat do anything of the sort while she was in the party; Hexxat, of course, refuses to reveal how she did it, because she’s mysterious and “We don’t know” is the answer of the day.

L tasks Hexxat with delivering the Casque – now improved by the addition of the other items you’ve retrieved – onto the head of a rogue lich named Korkorran. This is a very strange assignment, since Hexxat is a thief rather than an assassin. In fact, her entire questline might have made more sense if she had been an assassin, taking out specific targets at L’s behest rather than stealing items that don’t seem to interlock in any clear way… but that’s neither here nor there.

You fight through Korkorran’s lair and, at last, encounter the lich himself. And here’s where it all finally, sadly goes off the rails. You learn that Hexxat’s deal with L is for the restoration of her humanity; that this is the price she gave L in return for her services. Korkorran offers her the same deal if she’ll leave him alone, and here’s how the scenario plays out:

If you accept Korkorran’s offer, Hexxat becomes mortal and dies (as she’s over two hundred years old), unless you convince her to stay in the party.

If you defeat Korkorran for L, Hexxat becomes mortal and dies (as she’s over two hundred years old), unless you convince her to stay in the party.

There’s a lot to unpack here. In terms of character development, we have a woman who, upon her introduction, says there’s nothing she won’t do to survive, and the end result of her storyline is that she has a death wish. It’s implied (though not outright stated – again, because Hexxat is mysterious) that she knew all along what would happen if L restored her humanity, and she pursued it anyway. But if Hexxat wanted to die, she could have jumped on a stake or burned in the sun at any point after you freed her. Why jump through all these hoops for L? Why define herself over and over again as someone who’ll do anything to see another day, when all she really wants is oblivion?

“We don’t know.” Except that we could have known, very easily. If I recall my D&D lore correctly, vampires go to the Abyss when they die. Hexxat’s mother was an Ubtoan cleric, her aunts were presumably also women of faith: the only way Hexxat could reunite with them would be if she died a human death. It’s a relatable, understandable, sympathetic wish: she did all this to see her family again. Instead, all she says is that she can’t endure the life of a vampire… but if that’s all she wants, she could have killed herself at any time. But dying as a human, for a real reason: that’s something only L could do for her.

Except, of course, that Korkorran can do it too. In fact, if the player takes Korkorran’s deal, you don’t get any further insight into Hexxat at all: he cures her, she dies, you either kill him anyway or walk away. Hexxat’s last, conclusive meeting with Cabrina and L is entirely optional, and leads to the exact same result. There really, really should have been some alternate consequence to Hexxat jumping the gun and taking Korkorran’s “shortcut”, because in doing so she’s breaking her long-standing arrangement with L. More to the point, we’ve seen where impatience can lead with Edwin’s SoA storyline; why should Hexxat be immune to that same principle?

This is the same kind of false choice we saw with Dorn’s storyline. Both L and Korkorran will kill Hexxat unless you persuade her to reject their cures – and even then, it just doesn’t make any logical sense. On the one hand, Hexxat’s humanity is so important to her that she’s willing to die to regain it… but she’ll throw it away on the player’s say-so, with nothing more than a promise to kill her if she ever asks for it. Again, she’s had that freedom to die all along, it’s entirely unclear why the player needs to give her that guarantee.

“What does Hexxat want?” is a question to which the answer is constantly changing and never fully explained. As a result, it’s very difficult to sympathize with her. We don’t understand her, or her motivations, or how she can contain all these contradictions. Even her epilogues relegate the character to the background, as both endings (default and romanced) are focalized through Cabrina rather than Hexxat herself. I’ve said that Cabrina is certainly a fun character, and might have even been an entertaining substitute for Hexxat if you failed to “save” her, but is she so important that she gets the final say as to Hexxat’s fate?

I really want to like Hexxat. But by the end of the game, I can’t say that I know her.

Next time, we’ll talk about the first bald man in the history of Baldur’s Gate: Rasaad yn Bashir!
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  • simplessimples Member Posts: 540
    wow, good analysis
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    edited September 2014
    Nice work. Really enjoyed reading that.

    Although this series has been more a "critique of" rather than "criticizing".
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    Heindrich said:

    Nice work. Really enjoyed reading that.

    Although this series has been more a "critique of" rather than "criticizing".

    Point taken. :)
  • I disagree that the time scale in Hexxat's backstory causes problems to the degree you argue. One of the conventions of fantasy stories is that the setting doesn't change much over time, so it isn't much of a stretch to say that there isn't much unfamiliar about Athkatla compared to when she disappeared. Likewise, vampire stories are full of vampires who take an abiding interest in their descendants and blood relatives, so it doesn't seem odd to me that she would consider looking them up. Hell, if I were suddenly displaced two hundred years in time, I could easily see myself having a curiosity about what happened to my family in the meantime.
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    edited September 2014
    @Kaigen: While you're absolutely right about the static nature of fantasy settings in general, let's not forget that this particular setting is Faerun. If BG1 is set in 1368 and Hexxat was imprisoned in the 1150s-1160s, that means she could conceivably predate any or all of the following: Khelben Blackstaff, Szass Tam, Alustriel, modern Calimshan, the Zhentarim, the Shadow Thieves, and of course, the Time of Troubles itself. Entire pantheons have come and gone during that time.
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    Very insightful indeed.
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    edited September 2014
  • MetallomanMetalloman Member, Moderator, Translator (NDA) Posts: 3,975
    edited September 2014
    Whoa! This is the first non-fanboy, non-hater Hexxat review I've ever read! O,O
    And it is a great one, I must say. ;D

    Keep on this way, @shawne‌!

    IT: I also agree with @Kaigen‌ about the "setting doesn't change much over time" topic, but assuming that Hexxat doesn't know that as a in-setting character (we know that as we know FR lore, but a character who lives in that said setting, can't know if after two hundreds years the world will change or not, unless he's a clairvoyant or such) I would have liked her to ask something about that, or to see her surprised on how nothing has ever changed since her "departure".

    EDIT: typo

  • Glam_VrockGlam_Vrock Member Posts: 277
    shawne said:
    Well if you're gonna play that game, Rasaad ain't bald either. He just has a flesh-coloured tonsure.
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239

    Well if you're gonna play that game, Rasaad ain't bald either. He just has a flesh-coloured tonsure.

    image
  • Glam_VrockGlam_Vrock Member Posts: 277
    The original BG cast fell victim to purple prose sometimes, and I think some of Beamdog's writers tried to avoid that. Problem is, they went too far in the other direction, because this?

    "You have something you'd like to ask me, CHARNAME?"

    "Perhaps. Why do you ask?"

    "You looked like you had something on your mind."

    "I've many things on my mind. Too many."

    "I could distract you if you like."

    "How would you do that?"

    "A lady never tells."

    "You're no lady, Hexxat."

    "What am I, then?"

    "A player of games."

    "I cannot deny that."

    "Good. I wouldn't believe you if you did."

    "You doubt my honesty? I'm hurt."

    "You cannot blame me for being cautious."

    "You have me there."


    BORING. It reminds me of a seesaw. Just a mechanical back-and-forth, going nowhere. Similar problem to Dorn. There's no personality here.

    You know who did have a personality? Baeloth. You know who didn't make it into BGII:EE?
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239

    You know who did have a personality? Baeloth. You know who didn't make it into BGII:EE?

    Oh, we'll get to Baeloth, don't worry. :)
  • JaceJace Member Posts: 193
    Wow, this analysis is as if you're a mind-reader who transcribed my thoughts! Well, most of them.

    I think the devs also missed a good roleplay route by not allowing us to intervene to the rescue to Clara during the grand revelation. Clara is, supposedly, a level 8 thief or something, so unless her thief and level capabilities are only a result of the domination, I find it hard to believe that she outright dies from a bite without any time margin for the party to intervene and save her. Even if the devs didn't want Clara to be a full-fledged party member, Clara could simply refuse to join the party and go her own way. The good-aligned characters would then be content with just saving an innocent girl from the clutches of a vampire. It would be also cool if a saved Clara would make sporadic appearances throughout the game, either just thanking you, or helping in very minor ways.

    It also bothers me that, even though the expected end result is the recruitment of an evil character, it's mostly good-aligned characters that would feel compelled to help a girl with a vacant look who speaks in weird spaced-out sentences and demands company to enter a tomb. So, the whole questline from start to end makes perfect alignment sense only for greedy evil characters who would associate the tomb with mythical riches, and, if given the chance, would likely murder Clara once she outlived her usefulness of opening the tomb.

    Other than that, I tried to love Hexxat, but I couldn't. Quite a few silly back-and-forth interjections that lead to nowhere. The cloak of Dragomir micromanagement was kind of annoying. The tomb treks were boring with no almost no loot at all. Somewhat buggy mist form shenanigans. Overall, a disappointing taste.
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    @Jace: To be fair, Clara explicitly tells the party that she wants them to rob a tomb - not necessarily a task Good-aligned characters would be happy with in the first place (though, to adventurers, there can't be that much difference between Dragomir's Tomb and Durlag's Tower or the Ulcaster Ruins).
  • JaceJace Member Posts: 193
    @shawne I could argue that, even though Clara states that she wants to rob a tomb, a good party could probably surmise that there is something more sinister and awkward going on here than just an almost-zombie-state girl just wanting to plunder a tomb for treasure. A good-natured but curious guy would likely accompany her to the tomb, see how the potential mystery unfolds, and act according to his alignment.
  • BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,653
    Hi, I've been reading along with these threads, and have been enjoying the very thoughtful character analyses being provided.

    I have a request. Could you change the titles to say "Dorn" and "Hexxat", instead of 1/6 and 2/6? This would make the character critique threads much easier to follow and keep up with, especially once you're up to all 6/6. A name is much easier to refer to than a fraction. :)
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239

    Hi, I've been reading along with these threads, and have been enjoying the very thoughtful character analyses being provided.

    I have a request. Could you change the titles to say "Dorn" and "Hexxat", instead of 1/6 and 2/6? This would make the character critique threads much easier to follow and keep up with, especially once you're up to all 6/6. A name is much easier to refer to than a fraction. :)

    I thought about it, but I don't want readers who have a blind hate-on for a certain character to avoid the discussion because the character's name is in the thread title. I'll have a linked-up index at the start of each post, that should make it very easy to navigate.
  • AlexisisinneedAlexisisinneed Member Posts: 470
    My major problem with Hexxat is the fact that she's a vampire. I just feel like the whole vampire thing is so mainstream. (Oh god I feel like a hipster now) Just with all the recent popularity with Vampires this past decade or so It felt like they were just jumping on the band wagon. I don't know personally I felt like a Triefling embracing her demonic side would have fit better if they wanted to add the npc as some type of creature. But what would have been so bad about leaving her as a human? I mean what's more even then human beings?

    Also I like how you bring up the fact that Hexxat is all about trying to remove the curse of vampirism. I felt like that went really against her alignment and character. I know I'm pulling at strings, but when you look at examples of vampire character wanting to end the curse it's because they hate the idea of eating another human being or the fact that they can't see the sun. Hexxat having a solution to the later problem, but why would a Neutral Evil Character have a problem with killing an innocent to benefit herself? So why does Hexxat want to end the curse when it does nothing but benefit her? It makes no sense at all.
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    @Alexisisinneed: Hexxat's problem isn't that she has to kill innocents to survive (Clara and the other victims are proof enough of this), it's that she never asked to become a vampire. I can sort of justify that notion within the Neutral Evil mindset: if you always put yourself first and look out for Number One, you're not going to be happy if someone forces that kind of change on you, especially if that involves making you a victim.

    (In fact, what you say about the benefits of the curse is exactly the winning argument at the end of her quest - that's how you get her to stay with you, by arguing that the power of vampirism outweighs the fact that she never chose it for herself.)

    While I certainly agree that vampires have been glamorized, especially in the past decade, it's worth noting that Hexxat's storyline (especially her romance) takes steps to avoid portraying her condition in that kind of romanticized light. She's a walking corpse, and you'll be reminded of that more than once if you enter into a relationship with her.
  • simplessimples Member Posts: 540
    honestly, most of the time, i felt like leaned more towards neutral or even good than evil
  • AlexisisinneedAlexisisinneed Member Posts: 470
    shawne said:

    @Alexisisinneed: Hexxat's problem isn't that she has to kill innocents to survive (Clara and the other victims are proof enough of this), it's that she never asked to become a vampire. I can sort of justify that notion within the Neutral Evil mindset: if you always put yourself first and look out for Number One, you're not going to be happy if someone forces that kind of change on you, especially if that involves making you a victim.
    .

    But wouldn't she instead want to take revenge on the people who sent her quest, because don't they know that that vampire guy is actually in there? Did they expect her to be turned into a vampire? So If I was a neutral evil character wouldn't I use my new vampire powers to take down the people who set me up? Even if it meant finishing their fetch quest just to get to the ring leaders or does she actually want to pay them back and I don't know this because I never really go far into her quest line?
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239

    But wouldn't she instead want to take revenge on the people who sent her quest, because don't they know that that vampire guy is actually in there? Did they expect her to be turned into a vampire? So If I was a neutral evil character wouldn't I use my new vampire powers to take down the people who set me up? Even if it meant finishing their fetch quest just to get to the ring leaders or does she actually want to pay them back and I don't know this because I never really go far into her quest line?

    It's made clear early on that Hexxat's employer wasn't expecting her to become a vampire, and that he's actually not very happy about that outcome. In other circumstances, I'd absolutely agree with you that revenge would be the most likely and believable scenario, but in this specific case, Hexxat is apparently aware from the start that L can restore her humanity. That's enough of a reason not to wage war on him - the other being that she knows who he really is, and anyone with a vested interest in her own survival would know better than to pick a fight with someone so completely out of her league...
  • AlexisisinneedAlexisisinneed Member Posts: 470
    shawne said:

    But wouldn't she instead want to take revenge on the people who sent her quest, because don't they know that that vampire guy is actually in there? Did they expect her to be turned into a vampire? So If I was a neutral evil character wouldn't I use my new vampire powers to take down the people who set me up? Even if it meant finishing their fetch quest just to get to the ring leaders or does she actually want to pay them back and I don't know this because I never really go far into her quest line?

    It's made clear early on that Hexxat's employer wasn't expecting her to become a vampire, and that he's actually not very happy about that outcome. In other circumstances, I'd absolutely agree with you that revenge would be the most likely and believable scenario, but in this specific case, Hexxat is apparently aware from the start that L can restore her humanity. That's enough of a reason not to wage war on him - the other being that she knows who he really is, and anyone with a vested interest in her own survival would know better than to pick a fight with someone so completely out of her league...
    Well that was enlightening.
  • tennisgolfbolltennisgolfboll Member Posts: 457
    edited September 2014
    The idea of hexxat is good.

    The execution failed. She is uninteresting and feel like a comic book character.
    Dorn is even worse. Idea good execution terrible.

    Neeras execution is better. Not great but ok.

    Compared to the old npcs they are pretty weak.
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239

    Well that was enlightening.

    Admittedly, I can conceive of a way your scenario could have gone down, if Hexxat had been designed as an assassin rather than a thief. Since all the tombs have boss fights anyway, her SoA storyline could have been taking out the three targets assigned to her by L: Dragomir, Nan Kung Chi and Raffiyah. In ToB, you discover that they were conspiring with Korkorran, who is now Hexxat's final target. Korkorran then offers Hexxat a shot at L, with the caveat that if she takes it, she'll be stuck as a vampire. At least that way the final choice given to her is between revenge and humanity/seeing her family again.
  • GallowglassGallowglass Member Posts: 3,356
    Perhaps interestingly, your party actually can have a shot at "L", although it's clearly not the devs' intention. When I last completed Hexxat's ToB quest, I tried attacking "L" instead of talking to him, and discovered that you can kill him.

    However, if you do kill "L", then you're stuck in that location, and I couldn't find a way to return to the rest of the game, so it's game-breaking to do this. (Good thing I had a save just before trying this experiment! :-))
  • jankieljankiel Member Posts: 127
    Great read!
  • GallowglassGallowglass Member Posts: 3,356
    Yep, going through it at length, I see you've come up with another fine piece of thought-provoking analysis, @shawne. Well done, again.

    Yes, the concept of Hexxat was poor from the start: a character suited only for a determinedly-Evil party and with limited (i.e. vanilla-Thief-only) skills even though the game would have benefitted far more from a character more versatile in both alignment and skills (such as a Neutral Fighter/Thief, for example), a "vampire" as a marketing gimmick because there was a contemporaneous fad for vampire movies except not actually much like a proper Forgotten Realms vampire, blatantly deus ex machina MacGuffins to force-fit a faux-vampire into a usable party-character, a "mysterious" character with minimal background but thereby left incomprehensible and under-developed, a tokenist ethnicity trope bolted on as a feeble sop to liberal political correctness but then ignored until her epilogue, a tokenist sexual orientation trope bolted on as another feeble sop to liberal political correctness (although at least they made some effort with the romance option) ... and all of this in a single character - what a total dog's breakfast!

    And then the writing started, and things went further downhill ...

    A strong impression which came through to me is that Hexxat's quest episodes were developed as black-box modules. I think each of the other new characters had a writer who understood the character concept and wrote the bulk of that character's dialogues and descriptions with some clear idea in mind of what s/he intended to do with that character's story at each stage of its questline. However, when it came to Hexxat, I reckon there was a whole team of parallel writers who were handed a plot outline but then each worked in isolation on their own allocated section without seeing what the others were producing. That's a crap way of managing creative work, since it's bound to produce disjointed and jarring results which look very amateurish when strung together, but unfortunately it's a system which is likely to appeal to corporate execs who have no comprehension of creative processes or creative quality, but merely want very fast results.

    Whatever the writing system, what shines through is that Hexxat was a rush job, stuffed full of internal inconsistencies and plot-holes, many of which could easily have been fixed (as you've illustrated, @shawne), because no-one took a careful overall look to edit her story into coherent shape. It's poor work and it shows, it really shows. She's by far the worst-written of any of the new characters.

    Unfortunately, the absurdity of Hexxat's character-concept and the grievous amateurishness of her writing must inevitably damage faith in Beamdog's competence and integrity, which is a great shame after they'd done a substantially better job with their other new NPCs. Hexxat is a horrible blunder by Beamdog, a major FAIL.
  • GallowglassGallowglass Member Posts: 3,356
    edited September 2014
    shawne said:

    If you accept Korkorran’s offer, Hexxat becomes mortal and dies (as she’s over two hundred years old), unless you convince her to stay in the party.

    If you defeat Korkorran for L, Hexxat becomes mortal and dies (as she’s over two hundred years old), unless you convince her to stay in the party.

    One of the odder(!) things about Hexxat, which you don't mention but which I'd offer as yet another instance of poor writing, is that to "convince her to stay in the party" is actually more difficult if you're in a romance with her than if you're not. When you're not romancing her, it's quite easy to keep her by picking appropriate dialogue options, but when I played through her romance it took me quite some effort to figure out why I wasn't getting dialogue options which would let her stay.
    If you're in a romance with Hexxat, there's a minimum-CHR requirement for keeping her. This doesn't apply if you're not in a romance with her.
    If being in a romance doesn't involve wanting to be together and therefore having more (not less!) inclination to stay around, then it doesn't look much like a romance to me. The player is left with the implication that [Charname] thought she was in a well-established romantic relationship with Hexxat, but Hexxat had just been faking it all along and doesn't really care about [Charname] at all. Okay, such situations can indeed occur ... but ouch, that's harsh, and is it truly what the writers intended?

    This extra difficulty has a potentially game-ruining consequence:
    If your protagonist falls short of the required CHR (as mine did), then magic (Friends spell) and/or magical items (Nymph cloak, etc.) might give you enough of a CHR boost to solve the problem (which worked for me). However, if CHR-boosting magic/items aren't sufficient in your case to meet the threshhold (if I recall correctly, you need CHR14), then you're screwed: Hexxat will inevitably die permanently, even if she's been a party member from the start and even though you had intended to finish the game with her. So tough luck, you're now going to need to find a replacement Thief to join your party for the remainder of the game.
    That's a real bummer, and having it happen at such a late stage in the game seems to me a bad idea. It's not technically a writing error because it's not an inconsistency (etc.), but it's a plot decision which could leave players feeling seriously cheated and dissatisfied.
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