@Lord_Tansheron Good sir, please consider this point. The Fun Factor.
It is simply not as much fun to edit yourself in XP as it is to poke at this monster. Not for everyone, of course. But many people enjoy such things where they would not enjoy just typing in some numbers for themselves.
Well, right now the fun for me is testing the limits of this exploit. I am wondering if there is a time element to the ToB campaign as my main keeps dying somehow, even though he was safely in the temple of waukeen.
It’s been so long since I played ToB, I really can’t remember, but I wonder if there is a wandering baddie that occasionally walks by and kills your PC?
At first I thought it was the boulders, that maybe they really are random and a couple hits got me, but right now, party is outside happily plunking away at the mean giant, and main is in the temple of waukeen makin the wiggly eyebrows at the priestess, as swashbucklers tend to do lol
Not much else in Saradush that I know of, just freaked out villagers, I've already cleared the sailors and dwarves away. Does something come out at night?
Given the astonishing amount of rule-breaking used by the antagonists in ToB, this relatively minor exploit is perfectly acceptable.
Games may be updated to the point where they are relatively bug-free but no game can ever be made exploit-proof. Years ago (the operative phrase most of you might recognize would be "back in the day"), you couldn't carry magic items through the dimensional portals in Pools of Darkness; this was to make the fights in the other realms more difficult for your very high-level party. However, if you engaged in a little saving and disk-swapping you could store your items in unused character files, then bring them back into your party on the other side with all the items intact. Using similar techniques you could reset the maps in Wasteland by saving, copying over a default copy of the game1 and game2 files, then reentering the area you wanted reset. I also used the same technique for Pools of Radiance to make enough copies of the Manual of Gainful Exercise to give everyone a constitution of 20, allowing them to regenerate one hit point per hour. Finally, I became a billionaire in Bard's Tale 2 by pooling all the gold, putting it in the bank, saving, taking the money back out, putting the same money in a different bank account, reloading, and closing both accounts.
These days exploits aren't as blunt and imprecise as those old techniques. Most people don't bother, though, instead going straight for character or game editors.
1) If you discovered it, you can use it at will. 2) If someone told you about that, you can use it once. 3) If someone told you about that, and you like it, you can use it at will. 4) If someone told you it's cheating, don't believe him, it's cheating only if you are breaking one or more of the upper rules.
I generally use an exploit until I get tired of it. I used to use a lot of magic items with clones, like Protection from Magic scrolls, but then it got boring, so I stopped. Same goes for the Rejiek Hidesman XP trick, the potion swap glitch, the Wand of Lightning trick, talk-blocking, Feeblemind on non-hostile dragons, the Shapechange trick, the Shocking Grasp+Polymorph Self trick, the Project Image summoning and trap exploits, song stacking, Chaos Shield stacking, and the Nahal's Reckless Dweomer hotkey trick.
Though to quote the OP, I am "so computer illiterate that c:// blows your mind," I need all the tricks I can find.
I will be sure to try this one out next TOB playthrough. And it makes sense to me anyway because I hate that you can't fight off the giants from the wall, really annoying. All that time practising your missile weapon skills and you can't defend Saradush??? Why not? Good walls, magic users, the giants would eventually turn round and say "sorry Yaga, you're on your own here mate".
We've had a decade to tear this game apart. There are things possible you wouldn't believe (like the infamous Bunny Bomb), or were possible anyway as some are fixed in the EE (but not all).
If you truly want to break this game, you definitely can. And I'm talking all "legit" in-game stuff no console or editing.
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Good sir, please consider this point. The Fun Factor.
It is simply not as much fun to edit yourself in XP as it is to poke at this monster. Not for everyone, of course. But many people enjoy such things where they would not enjoy just typing in some numbers for themselves.
I personally don't see what's fun about automated killings, since you're not even there to witness it. But that's just me.
Not much else in Saradush that I know of, just freaked out villagers, I've already cleared the sailors and dwarves away. Does something come out at night?
Games may be updated to the point where they are relatively bug-free but no game can ever be made exploit-proof. Years ago (the operative phrase most of you might recognize would be "back in the day"), you couldn't carry magic items through the dimensional portals in Pools of Darkness; this was to make the fights in the other realms more difficult for your very high-level party. However, if you engaged in a little saving and disk-swapping you could store your items in unused character files, then bring them back into your party on the other side with all the items intact. Using similar techniques you could reset the maps in Wasteland by saving, copying over a default copy of the game1 and game2 files, then reentering the area you wanted reset. I also used the same technique for Pools of Radiance to make enough copies of the Manual of Gainful Exercise to give everyone a constitution of 20, allowing them to regenerate one hit point per hour. Finally, I became a billionaire in Bard's Tale 2 by pooling all the gold, putting it in the bank, saving, taking the money back out, putting the same money in a different bank account, reloading, and closing both accounts.
These days exploits aren't as blunt and imprecise as those old techniques. Most people don't bother, though, instead going straight for character or game editors.
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Regarding useful glitches.
1) If you discovered it, you can use it at will.
2) If someone told you about that, you can use it once.
3) If someone told you about that, and you like it, you can use it at will.
4) If someone told you it's cheating, don't believe him, it's cheating only if you are breaking one or more of the upper rules.
Though to quote the OP, I am "so computer illiterate that c:// blows your mind," I need all the tricks I can find.
I will be sure to try this one out next TOB playthrough. And it makes sense to me anyway because I hate that you can't fight off the giants from the wall, really annoying. All that time practising your missile weapon skills and you can't defend Saradush???
Why not?
Good walls, magic users, the giants would eventually turn round and say "sorry Yaga, you're on your own here mate".
So if they "cheat" so can I.
If you truly want to break this game, you definitely can. And I'm talking all "legit" in-game stuff no console or editing.