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Greater Malison Combo

IglosnofIglosnof Member Posts: 119
in Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition
If you cast greater malison (reduces all saves by 4), followed by slow (reduces saves vs magic by 4 if successful), followed by glitterdust (reduces all saves by 4 if successful) and the target fails the two saves, will they have a -12 to saves for the next 4 rounds? Or did I misunderstand something :)

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  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    I don't think Slow reduces saving throws, just attack rolls and armor class (and attack speed and move speed and cast speed). I'm also not sure blindness (inflicted by Glitterdust) inflicts save penalties either, but I'm reading conflicting things about that, so I'm not sure.

    Regardless, if you're correct about them applying those penalties, there's no reason they wouldn't stack.
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,264
    Yeah, slow and blindness do not lower saves. Blindness lowers AC and Thac0 and slow just makes things slower. The 3rd level wizard spell Slow does lower AC and Thac0 in addition to slowing things, but typically being slowed does not change your AC or Thac0.
  • ChnapyChnapy Member Posts: 360
    edited April 2016
    Indeed, looking at the slow spell (SPWI312)'s extended effects seem to indicate that it lowers only thac0 and AC (and inflicts the "slowed" state) but that it does not affect saving throws. The "Creatures save at -4 vs. Spell" line in the description instead indicates that the saving throw versus the Slow spell itself is made with a -4 malus.
    I see no mention of saving throw penalty in the glitterdust spell desc so if it does reduce them it's probably a bug.
  • abacusabacus Member Posts: 1,307
    Chant will also lower enemy saves by 1.
  • jackjackjackjack Member Posts: 3,251
    edited April 2016
    This is another reason I love the oft-overlooked Spook spell, which reduces a target's saves by 1 point for every 2 levels of the caster and stacks with both Greater Malison and Doom.
    Nope
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  • AmmarAmmar Member Posts: 1,297
    jackjack said:

    This is another reason I love the oft-overlooked Spook spell, which reduces a target's saves by 1 point for every 2 levels of the caster and stacks with both Greater Malison and Doom.

    Spook does not reduce saving throws. It just has a saving throw penalty similar to Slow.
  • jackjackjackjack Member Posts: 3,251
    Hahaha yup. Same misread.
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