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Hacksaw Ridge

dok0zhivagodok0zhivago Member Posts: 80
edited November 2016 in Off-Topic
Just got back from the cinema.
The movie blew me away.
Probably the best war movie since Saving private Ryan.
A must see.

brusMush_MushSkatanmashedtaters

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  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 5,955
    "Hacksaw Ridge is a 2016 American biographical war film directed by Mel Gibson"

    Really?

    CrevsDaak
  • dok0zhivagodok0zhivago Member Posts: 80

    "Hacksaw Ridge is a 2016 American biographical war film directed by Mel Gibson"

    Really?

    A great war movie.
    And one can't argue about Gibsons skills or talent when it comes to making movies. And this is movie is really worrh seeing

    CrevsDaak
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 5,955
    @dok0zhivago My friend, I believe that is cause for much argument.

    SkatanCrevsDaak
  • dok0zhivagodok0zhivago Member Posts: 80
    @FinneousPJ
    Braveheart?
    Passion?
    Apocalypto?
    The man is a great director
    If you like war movies go see this. Regardless of the director.
    Also great performances from the cast, Sam Worhtington really surprised me here

  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 5,841
    He is a GOOD director who makes solidly entertaining movies. He's also never been the least bit apologetic about being outed as an Anti-Semite. Fortunately for him, he made enough money in his heyday to be able to bankroll his own projects if he chooses to pursue them. I won't argue that he makes movies worth seeing. But he definitely isn't Spielberg or Scorsese or Tarantino. And he remains a bit of a shitbag as a human being.

  • dok0zhivagodok0zhivago Member Posts: 80
    @jjstraka34 No he isn't any od those 3 directors.
    And his solidly entertaing movies are modern classics.
    You should look for Tarantinos or Scorseses opinion on Apocalypto. You'd be surprised.

    It was never my intention to start a discussion about Gibsons personality or to judge him as a human being. And I frankly couldn't care less about his personal life.

    All I wanted to do is recommend what I consider a really great movie.

    Ravenslightmashedtaters
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,386
    I didn't like Saving Private Ryan.

  • SquireSquire Member Posts: 512
    Mel Gibson isn't exactly known for historical accuracy in films, as seen by his two greatest works of anti-English propaganda: Braveheart and The Patriot, and I found out the other day that Apocalypto is no exception - apparently the Mayan civilisation collapsed 600 years before the Spanish arrived...oops!

    So, as a story from amore modern era, how does Hacksaw Ridge measure up in terms of historical accuracy? I'm particularly interested in his portrayal of the Japanese, and how close it is to reality.

    And no, I don't care about his political views. What I care about is his shameless destruction of history.

  • dok0zhivagodok0zhivago Member Posts: 80
    @Squire
    I really don't care about historical accuracy, as long as the movie is good.
    And Braveheart is a great movie with great performances and lines. Same goes for Gladiator. Not exactly historically accurate but a great movie with badass scenes nevertheless. Original Ben Hur as well :)

    As far as Hacksaw ridge goes the focus is mostly on the marines, and telling anything else would go into spoiler territory. But there is a poetic scene near the end with the Japanese commander.
    I don't know if the battle was presented historically accurate but the depiction of wounds and general carnage is.
    The movie really hits you hard.

  • RelSundanRelSundan Member Posts: 916
    edited November 2016
    Just because of previous bad accuracy in directoring movies doesn't mean he can't make good ones. Braveheart was good in my opinion, I haven't seen any of his other movies awared of him being the director. Though, there is no logic nor sense in saying that the movie is automatically bad because Mal Gibson is the director of it. He enjoyed the movie and would like to recommend it, don't know about you all, but I always appreciate recommendations. In case I run out of movies I can always give it a shot.

    And when it comes to history accuarcy, I do agree that movies that keep that up is good, but sometimes movies made on ones own ideas and not inspired by historical events can be fun as well. Modern movies that present future can't be based on history, obviously. One should be able to make movies representing historical wars such as the second or first world war, as well as the Cold war, without having to be 100% accurate according to history.

    If you have seen American Sniper and know about Chris's life in the military, you know that he lied about his amount of confirmed kills in the movie. As well as his amounts of medals optained.

    "The US war hero profiled in the highest-grossing war movie of all time, American Sniper, lied about the medals he received for bravery on the battlefield, The Intercept website has reported.

    Chris Kyle, who died in 2013 and was portrayed by Bradley Cooper in Clint Eastwood’s 2014 film, wrote in his autobiography that he received two silver stars and five bronze stars for valour during his service with the Navy Seals during the Iraq war.

    But The Intercept states the US Navy’s official record for Kyle, known as the deadliest sniper in US military history, confirms he in fact received one silver star and three bronze stars for valour. The website obtained the information through a data request application."

    Source


    But hell, the movie is still great. The movie is outstanding, in my own opinions. This doesn't bother me a single bit. Of course this was a minor "error", I know some movies differs way further from reality than this movie.

    dok0zhivago
  • SquireSquire Member Posts: 512
    Oh, I'm not saying Braveheart wasn't a good film. It was entertaining (the same can't be said for The Patriot). It was just... completely wrong in so many ways. :p

    Anyway, I'm not saying Mel Gibson shouldn't be allowed to make films. I was merely pointing out that I don't trust him to get the facts right.

    RelSundan
  • RelSundanRelSundan Member Posts: 916
    Braveheart? Was quite some time since I watched, would you care to give me some examples or maybe something to look for the next time I watch that movie again? I can't remember much else than that I liked the movie at the time.

  • mashedtatersmashedtaters Member Posts: 1,768
    Thanks for the tip, @dok0zhivago !!
    I love war movies, they usually make me cry. I loved we were soldiers, which had Mel Gibson.
    I will check it out. The name looks like a horror flick, which I despise. So I didn't even know that it was one I might like.
    Thanks again!!!

    dok0zhivago
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 1,739
    I don't really care how good his movies are, I ain't putting a dime in that jerk's pocket.

  • SquireSquire Member Posts: 512
    @RelSundan okay, just off the top of my head: ;-)

    1) King Edward I a pagan? I don't think so.
    2) England's invasion of Scotland was a recent thing. They hadn't been oppressed for decades, as implied in the film.
    3) The Scottish rebellion wasn't about freedom, it was about having the country run by Scottish feudal lords, and not English feudal lords. The peasants wouldn't have known the difference, they still had to work for, and fight for, their feudal lord.
    4) Prima Noctis was never a thing.
    5) The Battle of Stirling Bridge wasn't a big open field battle (they seem to have forgotten the "bridge" part) - that's exactly the kind of battle the English, who were used to fighting in this way because they'd been fighting the French for years, would have won. The Scottish won that battle by being clever, and using the bridge to their advantage.
    6) William Wallace was a lowlander, not a highlander. He wouldn't have been wearing tartan.
    7) Speaking of which, he was the son of a knight, not a peasant living in a hovel wearing a poorly stitched burlap sack.
    8) There's no way he'd paint himself with woad either, because that's a thing the evil pagan picts did many years ago. The Scottish were catholic at that time, they'd consider something like that to be blasphemous.
    9) There was no great betrayal of the Scottish nobles. They weren't bought off, they simply considered the battle lost and fled the field. The film made it look like they left at a pivotal moment at which they could have won the battle (because we must never show the English winning a battle by fair methods).
    10) Apparently Robert de Brus never switched sides either. In fact I've heard it suggested that the two never even met.
    11) Speaking of which, it's unlikely he'd have bombarded his own men with arrows. That's the kind of act that'd get all the nobles rebelling against a king - feudal politics, and the Magna Carta, means the king has to keep his nobles happy.
    12) Princess Isabella was about 10 at the time.

    Honestly, the odd inaccuracy doesn't generally bother me, but this film is so anti-English that it might as well be a work of propaganda. It's still an entertaining film, but just remember to take the story with a pinch of salt, because it bears very little resemblence to the actual events on which it was based.

    FinneousPJRelSundanFardragonCrevsDaak
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 2,557
    There is no such thing as a historically accurate film because the screenwriters, the director, or possibly both, all have an agenda, a message they are trying to push, or they are merely perpetuating myths because they don't know any better. The last reason occurs most often in Westerns--real gunfights were not like what you see in movies or TV shows.

    In general, I find historical dramas to be boring--if I want to know about an event I will watch a documentary about it and/or research the event myself.

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