Having trouble with character rolls
Cvijeta
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I have bg2ee and I try to roll 95 with my blade. I takes foreever to roll 90 roll, and Im yet to see 95 roll. Is my game bugged... I keep getting to see 75 roll.
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Granted, some classes can see 90 rolls more often than others, because of the high minimum requirements for certain stats. Paladins are a good example of this, but even then, you'd be hard pressed to hit a 95.
Rolls in the 75-80 range are what you're likely to see mostly, with anything above that being pretty solid.
If you're determined to hit a 95, well, I hope you've got a lot of patience.
A further complication is that blades require you to put a lot of points in two stats you don't need, INT and (especially) CHA. Having to put 28 points in those, plus 3 in wisdom, means you need at least 85 to have 18s in the three physical stats. Subtract two points from CON since blades don't receive bonus hit points for a score of 17 or 18 and you're looking at needing a roll of 83 for a blade character.
Unless you have an unorthodox build in mind that would require a higher roll?
- 18 strength and dexterity help fighting.
- 18 constitution allows you to wear Claw of Kazgaroth with virtually no penalty and makes it easier to get natural regeneration.
- 18 intelligence helps learn spells.
- 15 charisma is the minimum and is enough for any purpose (friends spell can boost to 21 to get best shop prices).
- wisdom gives you virtually no benefits at all. You don't need the lore bonus and you're not going to be casting wish so a wisdom of 3 is fine unless you particularly want a higher figure for RP reasons.
That totals 90 which is pretty easy to roll - unlike 95
75 is a common roll to see - you don't see any rolls below that as the game automatically discards those before displaying them.
When the average amount received on a character is actually more like 80. (rolls seem to fluctuate between 75 and 85 mostly). That gives you enough for 13 in every stat with actually going up to 14.
90 is a point where you can have 15's in all stats. I can't say I've played video games like this that allow pointbuys that high to be able to get that much. So pointbuy systems are largely an illusion to being higher or somehow more balanced when compared to a rolling system like presented in BG, BG2, and IWD. The story can be a little different in table top games or games that go with more of a True 3d6 roll system without a minimum number of stat points distributed.
What if you want to play through making something easy for yourself because you've played the game a lot and want to spend your time concentrating on something else?
The roll system allows you to play with "balance" and yet allows others to play completely ridiculous characters should they want to surely?
A 95 roll is really high, but if that's what the OP wants, why on earth not?
Sod balance.
The reroll system promotes sitting there for minutes or hours mind-numbingly clicking the reroll button until you get the score you want. This should be unnecessary, but it is what it is.
A point-buy could kinda replicate that, but just not the same way, because there would be no randomness to character creation. When you're not redistributing stats, there's something to the randomness of rerolling to see what you'll get next. As a non min-maxer, I really like the reroll option, because it enhances the replayability of the game.
edit: I agree that there is great fun in rolling, and it is more satisfying. That said, I also will cntrl max and then subtract to a suitable possible, then add in the books from bg1 that I can't be bothered with getting.
So, maybe I want to play an undead hunter from the north... and normally I would reroll to 101 with 18/90+ str... something I used to do. Now I just cheat the 108 (sometimes), subtract to 101, then add in +1 str, dex, chr, and 2 wis.
The main issue is, I just can't stand running a dumb char regardless of class. I need a 17 int min., always. I mean, if you're an idiot, who the heck would follow you? (wonders the kid from the US, right?).
And furthermore, there are alignment concern confusions. A moron char is going to commit all kinds of 'evil' acts that an int heavy char wouldn't - maybe even if evil. But... get this... if my char is good and dumb, and I knowingly let him commit evil acts because they are in-character... does that make *me* evil?
It keeps me up at night.
Dang you to heck char generation! Give us stock chars please!
Adds more of a dynamic to have weaknesses imo.
It saves me from using an editor to add them later plus the average roll is slightly higher so I'm not rolling forever to get into the 90s.
So a fighter might be: S17,D15,C16,I12,W13,Ch14
I'll then apply racial bonuses & penalties on top of that. So if the above fighter we're a dwarf, it would become:
S17,D14,C17,I12,W13,Ch12
Paladins, Rangers & dual-classes inevitably have to make some compromises.
But the odds of getting a 95 are very small. I suppose a paladin is clearly the most likely to get it; is that correct?
-I- SINGLE-CLASS NPCs
khalid 79
dyna 84
alora 70
garrick 81
safana 84
branwen 82
xan 83
faldorn 79
skie 80
xzar 83
kagain 82
edwin 72
shar-t 76.5
viconia 82
eldoth 82
rasaad 85
neera 80
imoen 87 - outlier (bhaalspawn)
baeloth 89 - outlier (abnormally talented)
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average~80
-II- MULTI-CLASS/"PRESTIGE" NPCs
ajantis 88
kivan 81
coran 85
yeslick 77
jaheira 85
monty 82
tiax 73
dorn 90
minsc 72 - outlier (mentally challenged)
quayle 68 - outlier (illegally low and just terrible)
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average~83 (so add +3 for multi-class, paladin, ranger...)
-II- NOTABLE BHAALSPAWN
imoen 87
imoen 87 (imoen weighed double because of similar upbringing)
sarevok 92 (bg1 version)
balth. 97 (after bringing illegal stats down to 18)
illas. 80
sendai 82
gromnir 88
abazig. // (dragon)
yaga-s. // (giant)
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average~88
so i'd probably make an average of I and III, (to account for the fact that you have a plain, normal, background, while being a bhaalspawn) which is 84 and add 3 if you choose a multi-class, paladin, ranger, and maybe if you plan to dual class. that would mean 87, which is the same as imoen who is your sister, and who also can and does dual-class.
edit: so if you feel your character should be a bit less talented than imoen (who is very talented), you should probably pick 84, and if you think he should be significantly more talented you could go for 90