What happened to the gnolls ?

Broo

Yesterday I reached the gnolls stronghold. I remember battling hordes of gnolls over there in the original BG, so I was expecting quite a fight. However, there were about a dozen, all scattered over the stronghold, solo or in a group of 2. Is that normal ?

Abel

See the other threads about creatures missing.

BelgarathMTH

It seemed to me to be the same number as always when I played through it. It may just be that they only seemed like more or tougher when you first played, because your skill at games back then wouldn't have been as high as it is now.

I still got the full troop of about a dozen gnolls with two or three chieftains around the pits where Dynaheir is being kept, and they were behaving more intelligently, as well. They kept trying really hard to flank and surround my party. Also, gnolls kept coming up the stairs behind me, as though they had come from the outer areas in response to all the noise.

Daelric

I always loved the gnoll stronghold and I always thought they shoulda added more to it, such as a dungeon in it etc.

Space_hamster

The devs are SLOWLY coming around to the fact that something is wrong with the spawn algorithm, see the other closed thread on the topic. Short answer; they're looking into it.

KrO

Yeah Gnoll Stronghold is definitely one area that would have benefited from a dungeon being added in the EE. Always seemed like it could have been a bit better.

Madhax

I'm intentionally not going there until there's some progress on the spawn issues in BGEE. I loved the large-scale fights in it, and I don't want to miss out on them.

Oxford_Guy

I'm holding off going there with my current party until it's more populated...

Metal_Hurlant

It's pretty much abandoned. I only encountered the gnolls when you get up to the open pits where Dynaheir is.

alaundo

The spawning is bugged. Same as peldvale / xvart village and cloakwood. Dont bother even going there until they hopefully quick fix it. Peldvale got 1 single black talon wtf!!

Metal_Hurlant

Yeah, it's bugged along with other areas. Just another bug to be fixed.

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Messi

I'm glad they've aknowledged the problem, but things like this make me wonder did any of the beta testers even actually play the game, because if they did I can't see how they could miss something this obvious. You don't have to even go as far as the gnoll fortress because just doing Nashkel mines is enough to show something funky is going on, think I had total of 2-3 koblin commandos in that place.

MikePXP

@Shandyr

Thanks for posting that quote. I also noticed Gnoll stronghold had a fraction of the enemies that it should have and it bothered me a bit. I like the challenge of this game and I was beginning to think they were dumbing it down for the masses. I am glad to hear that this is not the case.

alaundo

Yeah how this could be overseen is beyond me ^^

mas0

I know its being looked into, but i thought I would contribute anyway.. I had 11 gnolls in the stronghold lol. The gibberling/xvart spawnings are also sparse, however in other areas (such as Cloakwood) wolves, spiders, guards etc seem to spawn in bulk numbers endlessly.. strange..

The_New_Romance

I'm glad there was actually an error and they admitted it. Now let's hope it's easy to fix. I feared it would have been a "design decision" and stayed that way. And greetings to all those who denied there was *anything* wrong with the spawn system We can now continue to be friends.

Aasimar069

belgarathmth said:

It seemed to me to be the same number as always when I played through it. It may just be that they only seemed like more or tougher when you first played, because your skill at games back then wouldn't have been as high as it is now.

I still got the full troop of about a dozen gnolls with two or three chieftains around the pits where Dynaheir is being kept, and they were behaving more intelligently, as well. They kept trying really hard to flank and surround my party. Also, gnolls kept coming up the stairs behind me, as though they had come from the outer areas in response to all the noise.

For God's sake, the spawn algorythm is bugged ...

I have not met any monsters in the Candlekeep Catacombs (except the monsters that are always here whatever happens, quest related or designed packs to be always met...).

I have not met any monsters in Werewolf Island (except the monsters that are always here whatever happens, quest related or designed packs to be always met...).

...

Aasimar069

Oxford_Guy said:

I'm holding off going there with my current party until it's more populated...

You may have to restart a new game, since your save might be broken to this point.
I got this problem with a quest, I don't know if this also affects the spawn points.

Cerevant

They should be able to fix this pretty easily - this was a bug with Baldur's Gate Trilogy that was fixed by using the spawn logic from BGTutu.
http://readme.spellholdstudios.net/BGTTweakReadme.htm
(corrected)

Banex

Just come across all this in a few area maps and found theres little or no challenge in most of the map areas.Unlike some of the travelling between areas,whereupon you're ambushed by eight or nine bandits and you can say goodbye to your mages or rogue classes.No point in playing the game really until this is fixed.The way it is at the moment you could probably solo a naked monk and get away with it.

MikePXP

Banex said:

Just come across all this in a few area maps and found theres little or no challenge in most of the map areas.Unlike some of the travelling between areas,whereupon you're ambushed by eight or nine bandits and you can say goodbye to your mages or rogue classes.No point in playing the game really until this is fixed.The way it is at the moment you could probably solo a naked monk and get away with it.

Thats part of the reason I put the game on hold for now. I was getting waylaid by nothing. And I don't mean easy enemies I mean I was literally alone in the area when waylaid. This happened a lot and with the sparse gnolls and other non-challenges I decided to wait until things are ironed out to get the best experience from this version of the game.

bigdogchris

Messi said:

I'm glad they've aknowledged the problem, but things like this make me wonder did any of the beta testers even actually play the game, because if they did I can't see how they could miss something this obvious. You don't have to even go as far as the gnoll fortress because just doing Nashkel mines is enough to show something funky is going on, think I had total of 2-3 koblin commandos in that place.

The BG:EE beta was not operated in the way most modern beta's oeprated, which are basically open free trials. BG:EE beta was a small selected group of individuals who know the rules and have modded the game.

While they did do 'play throughs', much of their time was spent on testing specific issues.

Banex

Well not interested in finger pointing.I've run across minor bugs since release day but fortunately haven't had issues running the game.I've mainly just been trying classes out and not had a serious run through until the last couple of days.I did mention this originally but thought maybe the lack of enemies at the beginning was just to break new players into the game because the first time i started BG1,it was brutal and that's what made the game great.This at the moment isn't a gamebreaker,it's a ball breaker.You might as well just keep the staff you begin with.

Space_hamster

Now that the game is getting much more attention, I'm sure the patches will be coming out soon .... No pressure or anything!

Metal_Hurlant

The BG:EE beta was not operated in the way most modern beta's oeprated, which are basically open free trials. BG:EE beta was a small selected group of individuals who know the rules and have modded the game.

While they did do 'play throughs', much of their time was spent on testing specific issues.

This just highlights the lack of proper testing and having a proper testing play through of the game. Since the game can be finished from start to finish on a weekend (in less than 48 hours), you would think Beamdog would have had people play it from start to finish on a weekend and list all the bugs prior to release. Even if it was the weekend before release, the beta testers would've had pages of bugs listed to be looked at.

Banex

Well not to worry,the guys upstairs know about this now and we've been told it's being addressed.At least the guys care about their product and hey no-ones perfect,so long as fixes come as soon as their known about.Which these guys have done so far.

I remember upgrading my computer after a four year wait for a certain"Empire" game and it was completely broken on release and never saw a patch for six months and it was still broken after that.They didn't give a monkeys and had an expansion already advertised.Even though the Original was still broken.Two weeks in with this game and we've had three patches.These guys do give a monkeys.Saying that though can we have that hotfix ASAP.(joking but it would be nice)