Wrong lore spoken from the fat spider lady in cloak wood
when you ask the fat spider lady about her curse she says jon idcus and his wife, im not sure if its talking about someone else or if its talking about jon irenicus it should be his sister not wife but im not sure if thats who its suppose to be talking about but, just a simple text confusion is all
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That text is from the original game, typo and all. I don’t know if it was meant to be fixed.
I wonder if Lukas Kristjanson ever expressed a view? (Kristjanson was lead writer for BG1 - Dave Gaider was lead writer for BG2).
I know there are strong arguments for Jon Icarus being Jon Irenicus, but it is not absolutely certain from the evidence in the game itself.
I'm not sure if this is really a "bug" that needs "fixing". It is not like it is a typo. The original BG1 designers meant the name to be Icarus at the time and i'd suggest leaving it as is. The matter can then remain uncertain, with players being able to form their own view as to whether the man described by Centeol is really Jon Irenicus. I also thought that original content was meant to be left alone in BG:EE?
There is some debate on this very issue elsewhere on the forum, with some interesting points raised:
https://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/10628/jon-icarus
Amongst other things it is pointed out that there are inconsistencies in the story told about Jon Icarus in BG1 compared to what appears in BG2.
It's not in the remotest way important (and certainly off-topic, so sorry for that), but Gaider was not lead writer until the NWN expansions (or maybe just HotU). His most notable contribution to BG2 is the Anomen romance.
Thanks. I stand corrected.
Is this something that is definitely going to be "fixed" in the next update? It does seem to amount to changing original content, which I thought was something BG:EE was supposed to avoid?
My memory is a little hazy, but I recall the controntation between Irenicus and Ellesime at the end of SOA she says something like: 'So that is what you are calling yourself now? Irenicus? The 'Shattered One?'' I figured that Irenicus translated to 'Shattered One' in elvish.
So to me, that says he had plenty of time to try to accept his new lot in life, trying to move on, before going supervillian. And its entirely possible that he married Tanova (the same as the Vampire?) who Centeol killed. And then, its possible that event is what drove him to the whole extra super evil we see in BG2.
To me, renaming it to Jon Irenicus would be a nice wink to BG2, and would also make sense.
@Metal_Hurlant : It's not like the changes they're doing are huge. I don't agree with everything they've changed, but most of them do make sense, even if I don't like them. Disliking change is a natural human behaviour. But if you think about it, changing a reference to a character doesn't affect anything badly
And cheesebelly makes a fantastic point.
And in this case, their intention was not to break fourth wall.
C'mon... there HAS to be a better reason than that.
Bioware could have fixed plenty of BG1 bugs with a patch if they wanted to too, that's hardly a valid argument to defend that the name shouldn't be changed.
There's evidence in the back end of the game that proves that Jon Icarus and Irenicus are the same person, which is why it was decided that it could be changed. I have a neutral stance on this being changed, but regardless, its certainly nothing that merits such an adamant response on your part.
For those of you who would like to know...
*SPOILER*
The journal entry says something to the effect of:
"Centeol in Cloakwood spoke of a mage named Jon Icarus who put a curse on her. I don't think this information will prove useful now but perhaps in a sequel..." or something like that.
*END SPOILER*
There is also a guy called Lord Foreshadow (hmm...) just north of Nashkel who speaks of NWN so apparently Bioware did a lot of this sort of thing.
Having nothing better to do I will now copy verbatim the actual journal entry from the original for those who are curious:
"When we charmed the huge bloated creature that called herself Centeol, We were told an interesting story. It seems she was cursed to her current shape by a powerful mage called Jon Icarus. We don't know what any of this has to do with the adventure we're on right now, but you never can know. Perhaps it will come in useful in a sequel."
I completely disagree with you. If the name is supposed to be Irenicus, then that's exactly what it should be. I see no reason why you should throw the player off the right path because you think, somehow chaotically, that is the right way to go? If the original designers made a mistake, then it should be corrected. That's what BG:EE is about too.
Why speculate the spider speaks of another person if the spider was supposed to speak about the antagonist in BG2? This bug needs fixing if the spider implied talking about the antagonist in BG2.