Levels and stats of named NPC enemies.

Porrima

Hello.
I realize this might be impossible, but since 2nd Edition AD&d ruleset runs in the background of BG and BG:EE, (despite the numerous people who cheat those rules), all the named NPC enemies (not generic monsters) who attack you and have xp value must have a class and level, too.
I'd be interested to know what they were like after I've killed them or vice versa. Some BG wiki's, for example, state that Gorion is 9th level and Savo is 15th, so unless these are guesses by the wiki makers, there must be some info somewhere on what level the NPC's are in the game background ruleset.

Is there any site that would list these or any way to check it from game data?

Thanks.

TJ_Hooker

I don't know if there's any comprehensive list of NPC attributes anywhere, but using the program Near Infinity it's possible to directly look at the in game creature file to see their stats.

Chow

Seconding. I would very much love to learn more about the game's inner designs like this.

Kore

If you activate CLUAconsole you can use ctrl-Q to recruit any NPC into your party and simply use that to look at their stats.

ajwz

Most of the time they are 9 9 9 9 9 9 unfortunately

ajwz

Elminster is 13 18 14 18 18 17
Drizzt is 13 20 15 17 17 14
Gorion is 11 15 12 18 16 14

Tome

Surprised that Elminster doesn't have 20 or more INT, TBH. Also find it funny that, DEX aside, Drizzt's a mini-elminster.

tyl998

Gorion is only level 9? No wonder he lost to Sav so badly...

Porrima

TJ_Hooker said:

I don't know if there's any comprehensive list of NPC attributs anywhere, but using the program Near Infinity it's possible to directly look at the in game creature file to see their stats.

I downloaded it and opened the only .key file there was. In it, in the CRE section there's the list of creatures. For example, looking at "ALDETH.CRE" there, 15th from the top, lists his "level" as 5/2/1
Does someone know what this actually means? Is the first number his class level? And before you ask, no, he isn't a 3-way multiclass.

Tome

He's a level 521. Aldeth is actually Ao.

SCARY_WIZARD

Porrima said:

TJ_Hooker said:

I don't know if there's any comprehensive list of NPC attributs anywhere, but using the program Near Infinity it's possible to directly look at the in game creature file to see their stats.

I downloaded it and opened the only .key file there was. In it, in the CRE section there's the list of creatures. For example, looking at "ALDETH.CRE" there, 15th from the top, lists his "level" as 5/2/1
Does someone know what this actually means? Is the first number his class level? And before you ask, no, he isn't a 3-way multiclass.

You can also use Shadow Keeper, or the Infinity Explorer (I believe). Never understood those weird triple-class entries, either.

Tome said:

Surprised that Elminster doesn't have 20 or more INT, TBH. Also find it funny that, DEX aside, Drizzt's a mini-elminster.

Yep. Those stats were pulled from the Heroes' Lorebook books. Drizzt's ability scores look like they were generated using the "roll a drow!" method from Fiend Folio.


There's actually a formula in another 2nd Edition book with experience values for NPCs with character class levels...drawing a blank as to what one it is, though. I know it's a monster book.

TJ_Hooker

Porrima said:

TJ_Hooker said:

I don't know if there's any comprehensive list of NPC attributs anywhere, but using the program Near Infinity it's possible to directly look at the in game creature file to see their stats.

I downloaded it and opened the only .key file there was. In it, in the CRE section there's the list of creatures. For example, looking at "ALDETH.CRE" there, 15th from the top, lists his "level" as 5/2/1
Does someone know what this actually means? Is the first number his class level? And before you ask, no, he isn't a 3-way multiclass.

I get a bunch of errors trying to look at a .cre file, but eventually it goes through. I don't see anything like "5/2/1" though. I get things like "Level first class 5", "Level second class 2", "Class FIGHTER - 2". But yeah doesn't really make sense. I'd never actually used Near Infinity to look up stuff like this (or really used it much at all) but I thought I remembered other people saying they did.

Porrima

TJ_Hooker said:

Porrima said:

TJ_Hooker said:

I don't know if there's any comprehensive list of NPC attributs anywhere, but using the program Near Infinity it's possible to directly look at the in game creature file to see their stats.

I downloaded it and opened the only .key file there was. In it, in the CRE section there's the list of creatures. For example, looking at "ALDETH.CRE" there, 15th from the top, lists his "level" as 5/2/1
Does someone know what this actually means? Is the first number his class level? And before you ask, no, he isn't a 3-way multiclass.

I get a bunch of errors trying to look at a .cre file, but eventually it goes through. I don't see anything like "5/2/1" though. I get things like "Level first class 5", "Level second class 2", "Class FIGHTER - 2". But yeah doesn't really make sense. I'd never actually used Near Infinity to look up stuff like this (or really used it much at all) but I thought I remembered other people saying they did.

To clarify, I opened the chitin.key in Baldur's Gate EXtended Edition \ data \ 00766 and there you can find under the CRE the Level 5/2/1 stuff.

Here's a screenshot of that.

http://i.imgbox.com/aciwSMpk.jpg

TJ_Hooker

Huh, weird. I did the same thing, and got almost the exact same display, except where yours say "Level 5/2/1", mine says "Level first class 5", and on the line below it, "Level second class 2". Probably due to the errors I was getting while trying to load it.