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wtf is a blagaard

Spam101Spam101 Member Posts: 15
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Seriously, 1 take and done on the new voice actors or what?

Dorn and Rasaad capture the spirit of the original i feel, but their supporting characters are something of a joke.
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  • EnterHaerDalisEnterHaerDalis Member Posts: 813
    When I first heard it I was like... that sounds odd..

    then you realize it's a single word, and its like yeah fair enough.

    Blackguard > Black-Guard or Black Guard

    I would of accepted "The Black Guard" though, implying that there is only Dorn. None shall pass.
  • MurrayConfederacyMurrayConfederacy Member Posts: 188
    Blaggard, woah! Never thought it would be that for one second...
  • State_LemmingState_Lemming Member Posts: 375
    That is how Simmeon says it when you confront him as well.
  • OoglioknacktidOoglioknacktid Member Posts: 4
    As madhax said, that is the correct pronunciation. If the voice actors were to say it otherwise would be "1 take and done".
  • MechaliburMechalibur Member Posts: 265
    Technically it's correct, even though it sounds horrible in my opinion. It sounds like the pet name you'd give an ooze. Blaggard. Ugh.

    It makes sense though, since g is the voiced version of k, and voiced consonants tend to be preferred when one is intervocalic. Preferably it would just be 2 words, but oh well.
  • Avenger_teambgAvenger_teambg Member, Developer Posts: 5,862
    Mechalibur said:

    It sounds like the pet name you'd give an ooze. Blaggard. Ugh.
    .

    Heh, i would rather give Blobby or Ozzie :D

  • RedGuardRedGuard Member Posts: 672
    I choose to interpret it as Simmeon saying it like that as a play on words. To me it's still Black Guard as the official name, but blaggard is a corruption of that.
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    @Tresset Eww, not Da Huuuuuuudge!

    I say, monstrosity. Do you know the times?
    *Frothing*

    Oh. I guess I couldn't talk with that proboscus. Not like I'd have much of a response to a stupid question like "do you know the times" anyway.
  • Spam101Spam101 Member Posts: 15
    well shame on me.. never would have though that was the correct pronunciation. The way it sounded though, just urgh.
  • MoomintrollMoomintroll Member Posts: 1,498
    I've always found the spelling more surprising than the pronunciation.
  • BaldursCatBaldursCat Member Posts: 432
    Blaggard
    Madhax said:

    That's how "blackguard" is pronounced. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/blackguard?s=t

    Interesting, if I used the word I use the phonetic spelling but George Bernard Shaw uses Blackguard in Pygmalion. Though in the context of the D&D setting and the origins of a Black Guard being a sort of anti-paladin I wonder if Black Guard as two separate words is a more appropriate pronunciation?
  • JaxsbudgieJaxsbudgie Member Posts: 600
    Blaggard is a word though ... and it derives from blackguard. A blaggard is a scoundrel, a thief, a low-life etc ... I ... I don't understand. Blackguard is a kit, why does it have to be pronounced in the same way to blaggard? I wouldn't call Blackguards (the DnD kit) scoundrels and thieves, sounds too petty.
    That's like ... inventing a kit called the Wunktwerp and just pronouncing it as wanker, implying all characters that have the kit Wunktwerp were wankers.

    lolwut?
  • jankieljankiel Member Posts: 127
    edited December 2012
    black·guard
    [blag-ahrd, -erd, blak-gahrd] Show IPA
    2.
    Obsolete .
    a.
    a group of menial workers in the kitchen of a large household.

    huh?
  • ThorssonThorsson Member Posts: 190
    From the Oxford Dictionary
    blackguard
    Pronunciation: /ˈblagɑːd, -gəd/
    a man who behaves in a dishonourable or contemptible way.

    Precisely right and an apt description of the class.

    Fin.
  • Avenger_teambgAvenger_teambg Member, Developer Posts: 5,862
    Hah, people, when you look for a word, check closer information sources.
    Anything farther than SRD is dubious.
    I doubt the Oxford Dictionary has anything about Wild Mages and their Wild Surges.

    SRD definition of blackguard:
    http://dungeons.wikia.com/wiki/SRD:Blackguard
  • BaldursCatBaldursCat Member Posts: 432
    True, but that doesn't cover the etymology of the name or its pronunciation in game, which is correct in terms of the dictionary definition, but is it correct in terms of the said game setting?
  • ThorssonThorsson Member Posts: 190
    Nor does it tell you anything about the character of the Blaggard. And in any case this is AD&D not SRD.
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    @Quartz I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who memorized all the lines...
  • CommunardCommunard Member Posts: 556
    Jaxsbudgie said:

    Blaggard is a word though ... and it derives from blackguard. A blaggard is a scoundrel, a thief, a low-life etc ... I ... I don't understand. Blackguard is a kit, why does it have to be pronounced in the same way to blaggard? I wouldn't call Blackguards (the DnD kit) scoundrels and thieves, sounds too petty.
    That's like ... inventing a kit called the Wunktwerp and just pronouncing it as wanker, implying all characters that have the kit Wunktwerp were wankers.

    lolwut?

    Blackguard is how you spell "blaggard". They are the same word.
  • DarkovanDarkovan Member Posts: 90
    Care not what any of you say, a fictional Blackguard and a blaggard are not the same thing!
  • TressetTresset Member, Moderator Posts: 8,268
    edited December 2012
    Is a blackbard called a blabbard?
    Anyway in another bioware game called Neverwinter Nights there is a lot of talk about this class... The voice actors all say blackguard (and quite a lot) and not blaggard. Just thought I would throw that out there to see if the argument gets prolonged any...

    Also if we want a side argument then pronounce this word for me: azure (that gets my family going every time)
  • EdwinEdwin Member Posts: 480
    @Tresset Just when I had finally quit greiving over the loss of my StrongBad T-shirt. :p
  • ThorssonThorsson Member Posts: 190
    edited December 2012
    Darkovan said:

    Care not what any of you say, a fictional Blackguard and a blaggard are not the same thing!

    The question is whether the fictional Blackguard name was 'borrowed' from the existing name or not. Unless anyone here was part of the process of creating the class, which I rather doubt, then it's impossible to say, but based upon the rest of the classes in AD&D it would seem extremely likely. That being the case 'blaggard' is the correct pronunciation, regardless of what was done in NWN.
  • dibdib Member Posts: 384
    Christ, people! It's African American Guard!
  • ThorssonThorsson Member Posts: 190
    Moomintroll said:

    I suspect that whoever came up with the name, saw "blackguard" written down, didn't know it was pronounced blaggard, and thought that it looked badass.

    Well if it was GG (which seems eminently possible) then I'll shoot that down. I spent a couple of hours chatting over beers once, and that guy never did anything so lax.
  • FrozenCellsFrozenCells Member Posts: 385
    It's pronounced "blaggard"? By whom? I've never heard/seen this word in anything other than DnD contexts so I guess it's rather outdated. I'll keep using "black guard".
  • RabainRabain Member Posts: 39
    Blaggard is still used regularly here in Ireland, it is used to mean someone of ill repute, an untrustworthy sort of person. It is in decline, you won't find many people under the age of 30 using it though they may have heard it.
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