Khalid question

moopy

I almost never use Khalid / Jaheria so I thought I'd be different and picked them up.

I now remember why I never use them or if I do I kill Khalid off and keep Jaheria. He panics and runs around anytime he stumps his toe. Is there a way before you get the helmet in Durlags Tower to make him not be such a pansy?

ajwz

cast remove fear

or have garrick sing him a lullaby in combat

moopy

I was hoping for a more permanent solution that didn't require a bard, but thanks.

Is there a reason people would use a character that basically casts horror on themselves anytime a monster approaches?

atcDave

moopy said:

I was hoping for a more permanent solution that didn't require a bard, but thanks.

Is there a reason people would use a character that basically casts horror on themselves anytime a monster approaches?

Funny! That's the main reason I don't use him.

Pluc082

Have a Charnam with high charisma. I have Khalid in my team and he never run out.

Tinter

Khalid is the second best archer in the game. Kit him out for that rather than as your tank and you will have no problems.

DJKajuru

I very seldom see khalid flee in terror - does the party leader's charisma affect party morale?

Sharn

If you have high charisma he will never suffer morale failure, it seems with an 18 cha that no one will ever fail a morale check in your party regardless of the circumstances.

moopy

My charname this go around has a cha of 11. He morale failed at half health while his wife was standing right beside him healing him. He then ran off halfway through the healing spell.

I've decided to take a different approach and take great pleasure in killing him. To the basilisks we go.

TJ_Hooker

Sharn said:

If you have high charisma he will never suffer morale failure, it seems with an 18 cha that no one will ever fail a morale check in your party regardless of the circumstances.

I don't know about this. All the evidence I've heard about charisma affecting party morale has been purely anecdotal. I'm pretty sure that I've had people fail the morale checks even with a 18 CHA party leader.

TheCoffeeGod

TJ_Hooker said:

I don't know about this. All the evidence I've heard about charisma affecting party morale has been purely anecdotal. I'm pretty sure that I've had people fail the morale checks even with a 18 CHA party leader.

Morale is affected by many things (CHA, enviornment, HP loss, party member loss, magic, spotting a strong opponent, etc...), and even says so in the manuals (all of them, EE & Originals).

But yes, Morale is indeed affected by the leader's CHA (higher/lower CHA).
Now, whether it's true that an 18 CHA stops morale break, I couldn't tell you.

ankheg

Give him some drinks in the taverns...

TJ_Hooker

TheCoffeeGod said:

TJ_Hooker said:

I don't know about this. All the evidence I've heard about charisma affecting party morale has been purely anecdotal. I'm pretty sure that I've had people fail the morale checks even with a 18 CHA party leader.

Morale is affected by many things (CHA, enviornment, HP loss, party member loss, magic, spotting a strong opponent, etc...), and even says so in the manuals (all of them, EE & Originals).

But yes, Morale is indeed affected by the leader's CHA (higher/lower CHA).
Now, whether it's true that an 18 CHA stops morale break, I couldn't tell you.

Keep in mind that the manuals, even the new ones, have plenty of mistakes. I'm still a little skeptical.

moopy

My solution worked.

Once he is a statue in the basilisk area, he doesn't run anymore.

PROBLEM SOLVED!

EnterHaerDalis

Tinter said:

Khalid is the second best archer in the game. Kit him out for that rather than as your tank and you will have no problems.

This is completely untrue

Coran and Kivan are miles ahead and it's not even close

DinsdalePiranha

don't kill him, that's just uncalled for.

let Montaron and Xzar dispose of him, and his bitch wife... MUCH funnier that way.

Mykra

moopy said:

I now remember why I never use them or if I do I kill Khalid off and keep Jaheria. He panics and runs around anytime he stumps his toe. Is there a way before you get the helmet in Durlags Tower to make him not be such a pansy?

I actually really enjoy Khalid. He's super-squish at the start, but he becomes a hell of a tank later on. Ankheg plate, Ring of the Princes, and a +1 shield of some type and you are looking at an AC -4 guy that's not hard to equip at all, has very good hp, and can also swing a sword rather well. In my current 4-person-party game, he's tanking for me and once I do something about his strength he will go onto full on beast mode.

Haven't had any problems really with morale since L1 or L2, to be honest.

CoM_Solaufein

He's a good fighter when he wants to be. He almost has more kills than my character. It's his sound set that makes me slam my head on my desk.

moopy

@DinsdalePiranha

Do they end up fighting? I've never made it very far with all 4 of them. Actually I've never made it very far with Xzar and Montaron. I do a lot of stuff before I go to the mines and they end up getting mad and leaving.

Tinter

@enterhaerdalis

BG:EE includes restored Mastery. Give Khalid mastery then high mastery in bows and he will have equal thac0 to Kivan while doing higher damage. He will actually average higher thac0 than kivan from level 3 on due to faster leveling.

Kivan is powerful but also a bit overrated. I think people just like his cool portrait or something, when you run the numbers it doesn't add up to "amazing". Even in the original mastery tables Kivan was only ahead by 1 on thac0, and even then only when he catches up to Khalids level.

Coran is inferior from 64k experience to 128k experience while Khalid has an extra half attack, but then reaches level 7 and retakes the top spot.

So basically, don't underestimate good old Khalid!

moopy

Kivan can use composite longbows though, but whenever you get those named bows that shouldn't matter.

Maybe I should run Kivan, Coran, Khalid with every pip in longbows, and an archer CHARNAME. Not sure there is that many good longbows in the game though.

Aasimar069

Pluc082 said:

Have a Charnam with high charisma. I have Khalid in my team and he never run out.

I concur.

Almost never had this problem with my Paladin (if this happens, cast a remove fear on him).



If you can ignore this, he is one of the best characters in game.

mjs

khalid is awesome. in vanilla bg, before weapon styles, khalid with high mastery longswords, a shield and the gauntlets of ogre power was tanking at its best

DinsdalePiranha

moopy said:

@DinsdalePiranha

Do they end up fighting? I've never made it very far with all 4 of them. Actually I've never made it very far with Xzar and Montaron. I do a lot of stuff before I go to the mines and they end up getting mad and leaving.

oh yeah. last time I've played with all of them in the same party iirc we got all the way to Naskel mines lvl 3 or 4 before both Jaheira and Khalid was put to sleep by Xzar, then stabbed repeatedly with extreme prejudice.

fun times

lunar

Give him a break. Don't send him into melee with a heavy hitter enemy that can drop his hitpoints in one hit. At first level, he has 13 hit points, and if an enemy hits him for 10-12 damage in a single blow, it is most likely he will panic. He is only human after all..err, technicaly half-elf, but whatever..When he levels up and has a nice supply of hit points (and he will have very nice hit points with that 17 CON and pure fighter levels) he won't experience morale failure..much.

moopy

@lunar

I gave him a break. There were stone pieces everywhere.

Edit: Actually I started using him in a game where I have 18 charisma. Either that is helping or I was getting unlucky with my other CHARNAME.

the_spyder

The play-through I am currently doing I just started Chapter 6. i think Kalid has freaked out maybe twice the entire game. My main has a CHA of 12.

Now, I have also been clearing out every single map as I go, so I have some really good XP and some decent equipment. Most of my characters don't take a load of damage and Kalid and Jahiera (my front liners) take almost none.

atcDave

It is true with an 18 charisma he doesn't break as often. But he still has the most annoying voice and dialogue in the game.

Mykra

DinsdalePiranha said:

moopy said:

@DinsdalePiranha

Do they end up fighting? I've never made it very far with all 4 of them. Actually I've never made it very far with Xzar and Montaron. I do a lot of stuff before I go to the mines and they end up getting mad and leaving.

oh yeah. last time I've played with all of them in the same party iirc we got all the way to Naskel mines lvl 3 or 4 before both Jaheira and Khalid was put to sleep by Xzar, then stabbed repeatedly with extreme prejudice.

fun times

This is actually what made me fall in love with Baldur's Gate in my very first play-through ever, back when I was a wee little gamer. I was completely blown away to have NPC's not only talk to each other, but hate each other, but also decide - 'Hey, you're so dead'.

Suddenly finding myself in the mines with a half-dead Jaheira, and a dead trinity of Khalid, Montarion, and Xzar was kinda...difficult...but man, did I love that it happened.

DinsdalePiranha

Mykra said:

DinsdalePiranha said:

moopy said:

@DinsdalePiranha

Do they end up fighting? I've never made it very far with all 4 of them. Actually I've never made it very far with Xzar and Montaron. I do a lot of stuff before I go to the mines and they end up getting mad and leaving.

oh yeah. last time I've played with all of them in the same party iirc we got all the way to Naskel mines lvl 3 or 4 before both Jaheira and Khalid was put to sleep by Xzar, then stabbed repeatedly with extreme prejudice.

fun times

This is actually what made me fall in love with Baldur's Gate in my very first play-through ever, back when I was a wee little gamer. I was completely blown away to have NPC's not only talk to each other, but hate each other, but also decide - 'Hey, you're so dead'.

Suddenly finding myself in the mines with a half-dead Jaheira, and a dead trinity of Khalid, Montarion, and Xzar was kinda...difficult...but man, did I love that it happened.

same here I actually had to backtrack at that point, because the little harpers decided that even in death, they're gonna mess my life up and managed to land a few hits on my zhent pals before kneeling over, sound asleep, then... well, not so much asleep.

friend of mine managed to trigger the whole conflict while setting up a trap for Greywolf, of the "sociopathic halfling with a short sword in the shadows" kind... when the game took over, it immediately sprung the trap on an unsuspecting and soon to be chunked Jaheira.
the guy still swear he heard his computer snickering before the events took place

reedmilfam

I so want Khalid and Jaheira to go 'medieval' on Xzar and Montaron. I finished Nashkell and it still hasn't happened.