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Is Rasaad worth it?

I can't decided whether I want Rasaad in my party or not. I don't mind if he's a little too weak for a tank because I like the challenge. I think I would give him gauntlets of dexterity to help him survive in the front line. It basically comes down to is his quest line interesting or not?
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  • WowoWowo Member Posts: 2,064
    Do his quest line and then boot him?
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    Wowo said:

    Do his quest line and then boot him?

    That is one option I thought about :)
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    Bhaaldog said:

    You need to ask yourself, can Rasaad dance on the head of a pin?

    I did and I have no freaking idea.
  • KamehouseKamehouse Member Posts: 66
    Is Rasaad worth anything? No.
    Monks aren't good at low levels, even with 161k XP. Helping his strength would leave him vulnerable, helping his dexterity would leave him useless in offense. Maybe if you give him all your tomes of STR, DEX and CON.
    Well, as a challenge, whatever, but in the front line, no, needs to much help from your casters. As a ranged fighter he could survive but nearly all other chars would be better.
  • CorvinoCorvino Member Posts: 2,269
    If you want him for challenge/roleplay reasons then why not?

    When you get him back in BG2 he'll turn into an unstoppable killing machine who owes you a favour for keeping him alive!
  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    edited January 2013
    Rasaad is not a good tank, however, with his quest items, he is a good damage dealer. In a party of 6 I've found the following formation quite effective:

    1) leader with high charisma
    2) best tank with boots of speed to engage first the enemies
    3) squishy caster
    4) even squishier caster
    5) Rasaad
    6) second best tank (you may never know when a sneaky Kobold attacks you from behind)

    if somehow the enemy start targeting Rasaad use him to kite (monk speed).
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  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    If I take him I need to more or less use him in the front line. I haven't played with a monk before so I don't really know what equipment he can wear. It says monks can't wear armor in the description but what exactly can he wear? Can he wear anything except body armor and bracers?
    How can I keep him alive? :D
  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    Wilbur said:

    I haven't played with a monk before so I don't really know what equipment he can wear. It says monks can't wear armor in the description but what exactly can he wear? Can he wear anything except body armor and bracers?

    He cannot wear anything in the torso slot, he can use Bracers of Defense but they become soon useless because his natural AC decreases with levels as you can see from the following chart:

    http://www.playithardcore.com/pihwiki/index.php?title=Baldur's_Gate:_Progression_Charts#Monks

    He can use both Drizzt scimitars (he will not be happy if you kill Drizzt, but you can also steal them) and one of them gives him a +2 bonus to AC (but he looses APR when using anything but his fists).

    His quest line provides two items (a pair of gauntlets and a belt) that suit him very well.
    Wilbur said:

    How can I keep him alive? :D

    Mainly by not using him as main tank and kiting if necessary.
  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    Wilbur said:

    what exactly can he wear?

    Forgot to add that he cannot use helmets (so he is vulnerable to criticals, yet another reason why he is not a good tank) neither shields, so he may benefit from using a single weapon with the Single Weapon Style Proficiency to lower is AC when is not using his fists.
  • LemernisLemernis Member, Moderator Posts: 4,318
    Wilbur said:

    If I take him I need to more or less use him in the front line. I haven't played with a monk before so I don't really know what equipment he can wear. It says monks can't wear armor in the description but what exactly can he wear? Can he wear anything except body armor and bracers?
    How can I keep him alive? :D

    You can equip Rasaad with a Ring or Cloak of Protection. Plus his boots, a belt, and bracers or gauntlets.

    Even very early in the game with the right equipment Rasaad's AC is around 0. For nearly the entire game I had his AC at -1 or -2 for battles.

    I had no trouble whatsoever keeping Rasaad alive by sending him directly at mages and archers. The enemy's tanks pretty much ignored him (mainly because they were engaged by my other meleers). He didn't get much grief from wizards either, actually. Regardless of the type of attack the mage is under, the vanilla AI has the mage continue with a particular scripted spell routine toward the entire party. That spell routine Rasaad is usually able to significantly disrupt even if he doesn't succeed with Stunning Blow. (With the SCS:EE mod eventually installed once that is released, that will be a different story since mages will then almost surely redirect their spells towards the attacker in front of them.)

    I had him wear the belt that reduces AC from missiles by 4, just in case another enemy archer took it in mind to start shooting at him (such as with the Black Talon bandits or kobolds).

    He's really not a liability for the party. You just have to figure out how to optimize his strengths and minimize his deficits. As I believe Quartz once said, if you can't keep him alive then you're probably not very good at playing Baldur's Gate.
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    @Lemernis

    Thanks for the tips. I'm gonna make him as effective a melee fighter as I can. He may die a few times, but that's what quick load is for isn't it ;)
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    edited January 2013
    I'm thnking of including Rasaad in a Skald CHARNAME game I recently started, Skald song gives -2 AC and +2 to hit/+2 damage, which should really help Rasaad...

    My current party concept is:

    CHARNAME Skald (Neutral Good, gets Pseudo Dragon Familiar, which buffs well for melee with Skald Song)
    Ajantis (though he'll need the Dex gloves...)
    Branwen
    Neera
    Imoen (possibly *not* dualed as already have Neera and my Skald)
    Rasaad

    If Rasaad doesn't work out, I may drop him for Coran after the Bandit Camp, if he does work out, I might drop Imoen instead!
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  • mjsmjs Member Posts: 742
    he'll never last on the front line.

    my party with rasaad is

    cleric of lathander
    ajantis (boots of speed)
    dualled immy
    quayle
    yeslick

    the reason rasaad survives in this line up is that by the time he gets there ajantis is the focus of most attacks and i've used cleric and mage spells to hold/command etc. i use him to double up on whatever enemy my tank is on
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    edited January 2013
    I've decided to give him a chance. If it doesn't work out I'll give him the boot. I'll try to keep him in until I've completed his quest line.
  • SirK8SirK8 Member Posts: 527
    Equipping him with the Iron Thorn Ring has increased is survival rate in my party. Rasaad requires micromanagement to play effectively, if you like that then you can probably get some decent use out of him as @Lemernis has suggested. As far as his quest line, I don't know yet, that's why he's still in my party for now :)
  • PantalionPantalion Member Posts: 2,137
    I'm going to go with....

    Yes, Rasaad is worth bringing with you.

    Until he's explained his backstory.

    His quest location has a uniquely valuable item, an interesting subplot, and only really requires having him around for a few days in a time in-game when you can easily afford to carry a level 6 monk. Once you've got his location you can easily drop him off there and leave with the neat stuff without much ado.
  • SirK8SirK8 Member Posts: 527
    @Pantalion - yeah I've considered dropping him once I've done all his content, but usually I get attached to my party configurations for better or for worse (which is why there are still a LOT of NPCs I've never picked up). I'll probably end up finishing the game with him, Neera, Dorn and Kivan and Imoen, then next time around I'll pass on Rasaad and Neera, and maybe Dorn depending on how much micromanagement my rep needs on this play through (I tend to be good, even if sometimes leaning gruff and chaotic)
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  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    SirK8 said:

    @Pantalion - yeah I've considered dropping him once I've done all his content, but usually I get attached to my party configurations for better or for worse (which is why there are still a LOT of NPCs I've never picked up).

    I think this is what's gonna happen to me too. I take him temporarily only to finish the game with him. I don't think it will be a problem for me anyway as I like powergaming with weaker characters too. I think the most memorable BG moments are the difficult battles that take a dozen tries until you find the right combination of spells etc. to deal with the situation.

  • SirK8SirK8 Member Posts: 527
    @Bhaaldog - I have him using darts, just to change things up a bit, then run in with some stuns if it's safe. Also, I turn him invisible a lot and have him scout and then just have him sit out minor fights as to not waste the spell effect :P The monk as a class has just never appealed to me, but I'll be darned if I'm going to miss out on BG:EE content :D
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  • KortokKortok Member Posts: 165
    No he is not. Overhaul made a mistake adding him to BG1 as he is a terrible npc. I don't consider him an enhancement to the game in any way. Evil parties and those interested in bisexual chars get Dorn and good parties get Rasaad? Riiiiiiight.
  • DarkDoggDarkDogg Member Posts: 598
    Kortok said:

    he is a terrible npc.

    He isn't so terrible after all.
    He is rather boring and slightly weak NPC with some damage dealing advantages. (in BG1)
    If you are talking only about his combat abilities, then there are some Npcs in the game much more useless than Rasaad. Garrick for example :-)
  • SirK8SirK8 Member Posts: 527
    @Kortok - My party is overall a good party and we have Dorn too! I do like Rasaad's voice acting and dialogue and am looking forward to his quest, so content wise he does add something, not everything has to be about combat abilities. But yes, his combat abilities do pale in comparison to other NPCs available in the game.
  • moopymoopy Member Posts: 938
    edited January 2013
    I gave him single weapon style and Twinkle for another -3 AC. Gauntlets of Dex for another -2 and -1 from a ring of protection and -2 from his boots. By the end of the game his default AC was 5 and with all those bonuses I had it down to -5.

    You could switch the ring of protection +1 with the ring+2 or cloak+2 and get him to -6 and throw in the Claw of Kazgoroth for another AC to be at -7 and his AC against missles would be -9.
  • LemernisLemernis Member, Moderator Posts: 4,318
    edited January 2013
    Kortok said:

    No he is not. Overhaul made a mistake adding him to BG1 as he is a terrible npc. I don't consider him an enhancement to the game in any way. Evil parties and those interested in bisexual chars get Dorn and good parties get Rasaad? Riiiiiiight.

    One could view him as an investment in BG1. Monks are very powerful in BG2 and Rasaad will reportedly be available in BG2:EE. That said, I'm not sure if he will be available if-and-only-if he is in the party for the BG:EE final save versus simply being added (at the Copper Coronet, let's Say) as a level 7 joinable NPC in BG2:EE.
  • DarkDoggDarkDogg Member Posts: 598
    Lemernis said:


    simply being added as a joinable NPC in BG2:EE.

    This.
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