Haste spell bugged after the recent patch

3leeTbger

The haste spell should provide an extra attack for everybody, like clearly stated in it's description.

That extra attack is missing for ranged weapons after the new patch.

And extra attacks generally for ranged attacks are also missing after the new patch.

http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/14556/ranged-weapon-prof-and-extra-attacks-bugged#latest

I should never have bought this game at release date.

Should have waited 6+ months.

What a piece of bug infested crap. Even buggier than BG were in early 1999.

JuliusBorisov

Of course, you can't play without a haste spell, can you?) It's surely a game-breaking bug, isn't it?)

3leeTbger

You're stupid, that's not the point of this thread.

And it makes a HUGE difference by the way, no extra attacks for haste and bows means a LOT.

Anton

why not post it here?
http://forum.baldursgate.com/categories/public-bugs-bgee

3leeTbger

The haste spell should provide an extra attack for everybody, like clearly stated in its description.

That extra attack is present when using melee weapons, but missing when using ranged - - - after the new patch.

And extra attacks for ranged attacks generally are also missing after the new patch.

http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/14556/ranged-weapon-prof-and-extra-attacks-bugged#latest

Wakukee

Works normally for me. Are you using the haste spell, or paws of the cheetah? The boots were never supposed to give an extra attack, they did so because of a bug. The only issue I see is that the movement bonus from haste stacks with the paws, allowing a character to travel at 4x speed!

Oxford_Guy

The Boots should certainly not give more attacks, but does the spell still do so? I do remember even in previous patches that the Haste spell only gave characters with 3/2 attacks 2 attacks (i.e. only 1/2 attacls more), instead of 5/2, though. What's the current situation for the Haste spell

Wakukee

Well, when my sorcerer casts it, it gives +1 attack to any whole number (i.e. 2 to 3, 1 to 2), but only +1/2 to anyone with a partial number (3/2 to 2, 5/2 to 3).

mjs

also, it doesn't fatigue my party anymore

Oxford_Guy

Wakukee said:

Well, when my sorcerer casts it, it gives +1 attack to any whole number (i.e. 2 to 3, 1 to 2), but only +1/2 to anyone with a partial number (3/2 to 2, 5/2 to 3).

The spell was doing this before the current patch, but yes it's a bug. Also isn't Haste meant to fatigue your party (it doesn't)?

Elzarath

mjs said:

also, it doesn't fatigue my party anymore

I applied the patch today then cleared the spider den in second cloakwood area. Used a haste spell and everyone was definitely fatigued afterwards.

Can't say I paid attention to extra attacks per round though..

Oxford_Guy

Elzarath said:

mjs said:

also, it doesn't fatigue my party anymore

I applied the patch today then cleared the spider den in second cloakwood area. Used a haste spell and everyone was definitely fatigued afterwards.

Can't say I paid attention to extra attacks per round though..

We're they fatigued the moment the Haste Spell wore off, or might this have been ordinary fatigue after travelling etc.?

Mathmick

Fatigue still works from the Haste. This happened to me earlier today, definitely on this patch as I had the new character in my party. Not applied after the first haste but after the second (as per usual). This fight was almost immediately before a battle, haste applied before, and haste cast again after having worn off.

Oxford_Guy

Mathmick said:

Fatigue still works from the Haste. This happened to me earlier today, definitely on this patch as I had the new character in my party. Not applied after the first haste but after the second (as per usual). This fight was almost immediately before a battle, haste applied before, and haste cast again after having worn off.

So you only get fatigued after casting haste twice? Is this the expected behaviour from this spell?

Kilivitz

Yes. At least in the original BG2, this is how the spell behaved.

As for the OP... general aggressiveness, check. Insulting other forums members, check. We're off to a good start here.

mjs

i thought expected behaviour was fatigue after first haste spell wears off?

Jace

I have noticed that while Haste spells and potions do not increase for attacks per round on paper, hasted characters do have shorter personal initiative rounds, so they really attack faster than non-hasted characters. You can check this by setting auto-pause to end of round.

3leeTbger

ok ... ive checked that haste spell out more thoroughly ...

it DOES work properly with melee weapons ... they receive an extra attack .... but

it DOES NOT work properly with ranged weapons ... they dont receive an extra attack

Oxford_Guy

Jace said:

I have noticed that while Haste spells and potions do not increase for attacks per round on paper,

The extra attacks did show on the character sheet, or at least they did before the patch, but characters with extra half attacks just had those rounded up e.g. 3/2 to 2

Jace said:

hasted characters do have shorter personal initiative rounds, so they really attack faster than non-hasted characters. You can check this by setting auto-pause to end of round.

But I think they're meant to get more attacks per round, regardless of the length of the round

Oxford_Guy

3leeTbger said:

ok ... ive checked that haste spell out more thoroughly ...

it DOES work properly with meelee weapons ... they receive an extra attack .... but

it DOES NOT work properly with ranged weapons ... they dont receive an extra attack

The latter is perhaps connected with this?:
http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/14559/ranged-weapon-prof-and-extra-attacks-bugged#latest

Cuv

Moving to bugs

3leeTbger

i investigated more and found :

haste spell provides an extra attack for meelee weapons .... just like it should

doesnt provide an extra attack for ranged weapons --- thats not right

it should provide an extra attack for all weapons


so the conlusion is :

the haste spell doesnt work properly after the january 15th patch .... an extra attack should be granted when using ALL weapons, not just meelee

please fix soon overhaul games ... cuz it sucks badly

elvis_minor

Yes, there has been a problem with extra attacks missing from ranged weapons after the patch. Not just with the haste spell but all extra attacks seem to have been intentionally or unintentionally altered. Scroll down the front page a bit and you should see the topic.

elvis_minor

Here is the link to that other thread

http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/14556/ranged-weapon-prof-and-extra-attacks-bugged#latest

Jace

Oxford_Guy said:

But I think they're meant to get more attacks per round, regardless of the length of the round

Why? If a hasted guy's round lasts 4 seconds and a non-hasted guy's round last 6 seconds, and they both have 2 ApR listed, the hasted guy wins - because he executes 2 attacks every 4 seconds rather than 2 attacks every 6 seconds. The hasted guy already attacks 50% faster, or in other terms, he attacks once every 2 seconds OR (by simple multiplication) thrice every 6 seconds.

As you can see, 3 attacks per 6 seconds, compared 2 attacks per 6 seconds is exactly the benefit Haste gives in its description.

I hope I'm not talking bollocks here.

Oxford_Guy

3leeTbger said:

ok ... ive checked that haste spell out more thoroughly ...

it DOES work properly with meelee weapons ... they receive an extra attack .... but

it DOES NOT work properly with ranged weapons ... they dont receive an extra attack

@3leeTbger -are the melee extra attacks from haste still problematic e.g. does a character with 3/2 base attacks only get 2 attacks under haste, instead of 5/2?

3leeTbger

Jace ... you have COMPLETELY misunderstood how it works

im not even gonna explain

haste spell is not working properly ... extra attack for ranged weapons is missing

end of story

3leeTbger

just checked ... yes .... people with 1½ attack in melee only gets 2 attacks with haste instead of 2½

melee 1 attack gets 2 attacks with haste

so it aint working properly.


but it all may be caused by, or linked to this bug in some way :

http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/14559/ranged-weapon-prof-and-extra-attacks-bugged#latest

Oxford_Guy

3leeTbger said:

just checked ... yes .... people with 1½ attack in melee only gets 2 attacks with haste instead of 2½

melee 1 attack gets 2 attacks with haste

so it aint working properly.


but it all may be caused by, or linked to this bug in some way :

http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/14559/ranged-weapon-prof-and-extra-attacks-bugged#latest

The problem with melee weapons only getting hasted from 3/2 attacks to 2 attacks pre-dates the ranged weapons issues with the current patch - BUT STILL NEEDS TO BE FIXED!

Jace

Well, excuse me, but in my case, my record sheet doesn't credit hasted characters with an extra attack. Not melee, not ranged, not anything. It do however notice that I get faster personal initiative rounds (for melee only!) and I was simply suggesting that the haste benefit is currently given as is, but in a less-than-visible way.

But it seems that other people correctly get an extra attack per round recorded on their character sheet when hasted with a melee weapon. That's weird...

Oxford_Guy

Jace said:

Well, excuse me, but in my case, my record sheet doesn't credit hasted characters with an extra attack. Not melee, not ranged, not anything. It do however notice that I get faster personal initiative rounds (for melee only!) and I was simply suggesting that the haste benefit is currently given as is, but in a less-than-visible way.

But it seems that other people correctly get an extra attack per round recorded on their character sheet when hasted with a melee weapon. That's weird...

I get an extra attack for some melee users, but those with starting 3/2 attack, for example, only get an extra 1/2 attack, for two attacks total