I'd say you're a true neutral. Looking out for yourself but you don't want to hurt or make anyone else uncomfortable. You also from what you've told us won't do much without someone else suggesting it first. A chaotic neutral like myself does whatever strikes them at the time. I've stolen the tires off of a friends car for Shits and Giggles as well as given an entire meal to a homeless man while visiting New York. Inconsistency is key for chaotic neutral. The only reason don't do half the stuff I think of is because I don't want to get arrested. You aren't neutral good because you don't seem to intrinsically follow societies standard moral code E.g. cheating with your friend. You aren't chaotic or neutral evil because you stopped in the act when your friend asked you to. An evil would have kept going despite his change of heart.
To be honest I do not think you can judge your own moral code/alignment, because you will always be biased. You may know what you prefer or have a certain way of doing things but it changes as you learn and develop so I don't think there is a set alignment.
I think intelligence and what you know and what you are interested in affects your actions, but then at the same time the things that happen to you without your involvement and the actions you choose to perform also shape how you think... there are so many variables and things to take into account that the picture is much bigger than just two words that make an alignment.
I have been a part of bullying, I have stopped bullying, I have been a victim, I have bean hurtful to others, I have been generous/good, I have been curious and I have been ignorant, I have broke minor laws and followed them, I generally keep myself out of legal issues/troubles but sometimes it cannot be helped, I can be spontaneous as I can be ordered. I am silly and goofy as well as reasonably thoughtful, I am no Einstein and nor am I uneducated, I think as you get older there is a consistency of what you want to do or how you act.
I know I am curious like many people, I love learning, talking with others and listening, and the only rule I try to follow is "Never judge a book by its cover" I always question my first judgments. Other than that I am open to whatever happens, people are naturally good and it benefits us all for being good and yet we all have slightly evil/not so good willed thoughts and in worst of times we act upon them. As a child I knew stealing was wrong but I had stolen one of my friends pokemon cards anyway (because he had way too many in my opinion and even then I didn't steal a good one) I have also stolen food from a store or some cantine, but in guilt I donated the amount of money saved to a charity so things can get pretty complex am I good? or bad for what I have done, I am most likely good as I have not caused suffering and I hope I enriched a handful of peoples lives.
Evil and good I think are really opposite ends of each spectrum not everyone is so good that they will sacrifice everything to help others as we will become ill and cause pain to ourselves and there are very little people who are evil to the point of just only causing torture and domination for no reason, when people do that they are usually ill in the mind or medically/biologically affected or their mind has become twisted by something traumatic, you very rare get someone who just kills or causes pain for the pure sake of it, what benefit would an intelligent person get from a plain kill and then spending life in prison? it always about benefits and how it enriches your own life.
people who do things to become wealthier are motivated to live a life of luxury through hard work, my dad is very focused on making money, but he is more complex than that, he is caring as he is annoying.
My mother is very family orientated, caring, outgoing and talkative but single minded when it comes to many issues, political and sometimes racial. again there is much more to her than this though
That's the thing about being human we can be so much and do so many things and its all determined by what we want.
I think it would be safe to say that all humans are of a neutral good alignment, Because being good is a natural thing it benefits everyone and yourself, but we all do this in our own way and to our own levels and limits. The neutral comes into question because we are all a blank slates which can get influenced to think and act a certain way, much like animals are of a neutral attitude, its about survival, which is a neutral thing. There are no evil or good animals they just do what they need to survive and if that means killing or sharing they will.
So this brings me tightly to the OP, I think you're neutral good, however I don't know you enough at all even to make that judgement.
To be honest I do not think you can judge your own moral code/alignment, because you will always be biased. You may know what you prefer or have a certain way of doing things but it changes as you learn and develop so I don't think there is a set alignment.
I think intelligence and what you know and what you are interested in affects your actions, but then at the same time the things that happen to you without your involvement and the actions you choose to perform also shape how you think... there are so many variables and things to take into account that the picture is much bigger than just two words that make an alignment.
I have been a part of bullying, I have stopped bullying, I have been a victim, I have bean hurtful to others, I have been generous/good, I have been curious and I have been ignorant, I have broke minor laws and followed them, I generally keep myself out of legal issues/troubles but sometimes it cannot be helped, I can be spontaneous as I can be ordered. I am silly and goofy as well as reasonably thoughtful, I am no Einstein and nor am I uneducated, I think as you get older there is a consistency of what you want to do or how you act.
I know I am curious like many people, I love learning, talking with others and listening, and the only rule I try to follow is "Never judge a book by its cover" I always question my first judgments. Other than that I am open to whatever happens, people are naturally good and it benefits us all for being good and yet we all have slightly evil/not so good willed thoughts and in worst of times we act upon them. As I child I knew stealing was wrong but when I was a child I hadstolen one of my friends pokemon cards (because he had way too many in my opinion and even then I didn't steal a good one) I have also stolen food from a store or some cantine, but in guilt I donated the amount of money saved to a charity so things can get pretty complex am I good? or bad for what I have done, I am most likely good as I have not caused suffering and I hope I enriched a handful of peoples lives.
Evil and good I think are really opposite ends of each spectrum not everyone is so good that they will sacrifice everything to help others as we will become ill and cause pain to ourselves and there are very little people who are evil to the point of just only causing torture and domination for no reason, when people do that they are usually ill in the mind or medically/biologically affected or their mind has become twisted by something traumatic, you very rare get someone who just kills or causes pain for the pure sake of it, what benefit would an intelligent person get from a plain kill and then spending life in prison? it always about benefits and how it enriches your own life.
people who do things to become wealthier are motivated to live a life of luxury through hard work, my dad is very focused on making money, but he is more complex than that, he is caring as he is annoying.
My mother is very family orientated, caring, outgoing and talkative but single minded when it comes to many issues, political and sometimes racial. again there is much more to her than this though
That's the thing about being human we can be so much and do so many things and its all determined by what we want.
I think it would be safe to say that all humans are of a neutral good alignment, Because being good is a natural thing it benefits everyone and yourself, but we all do this in our own way and to our own levels and limits. The neutral comes into question because we are all a blank slates which can get influenced to think and act a certain way, much like animals are of a neutral attitude, its about survival, which is a neutral thing. There are no evil or good animals they just do what they need to survive and if that means killing or sharing they will.
So this brings me tightly to the OP, I think you're neutral good, however I don't know you enough at all even to make that judgement.
Neutral Good doesn't believe there is no such thing as good or bad, True Neutral or Chaotic Neutral will believe that. Neutral Good's do good acts for the sake of doing good acts, where in the OP does that happen? People are actually True Neutral by default, nobody is a good or bad person people just are. They live, breathe in and out and do what it takes to survive. Also you pretty much just made a case for True Neutral, in your family/yourself and people in general. Being a "good" person takes commitment same with being a "bad" person also don't you realize that people that are either of those things are treated the same way? with utter disdain and ostracization? A "nice" person is just as bad if not worst then a "douche bag" that hurts people because nobody can figure out what they really want out of people so Neutral Good as the default alignment of all humans is a pipe dream Majoca. It's all fine and dandy to have a positive or negative outlook on life i guess, i mean being realistic makes more sense due to the fact that no one is exclusively anything meaning no one is "positive" or "negative" or "good" or "bad" all the time so this outlook is unrealistic.
Is there such a thing as apathetic good? Or possibly lazy or cowardly good? I'm not sure if neutral describes me, as I have a very strong sense of right and wrong. I just don't go out and really DO anything about it.
Is there such a thing as apathetic good? Or possibly lazy or cowardly good? I'm not sure if neutral describes me, as I have a very strong sense of right and wrong. I just don't go out and really DO anything about it.
@Majoca Neutral Good doesn't believe there is no such thing as good or bad, True Neutral or Chaotic Neutral will believe that. Neutral Good's do good acts for the sake of doing good acts, where in the OP does that happen? People are actually True Neutral by default, nobody is a good or bad person people just are. They live, breathe in and out and do what it takes to survive. Also you pretty much just made a case for True Neutral, in your family/yourself and people in general. Being a "good" person takes commitment same with being a "bad" person also don't you realize that people that are either of those things are treated the same way? with utter disdain and ostracization? A "nice" person is just as bad if not worst then a "douche bag" that hurts people because nobody can figure out what they really want out of people so Neutral Good as the default alignment of all humans is a pipe dream Majoca. It's all fine and dandy to have a positive or negative outlook on life i guess, i mean being realistic makes more sense due to the fact that no one is exclusively anything meaning no one is "positive" or "negative" or "good" or "bad" all the time so this outlook is unrealistic.
@bbman1000 the reason I think Neutral good is a default alignment is the fact that goodness is natural in human beings, it is a minority to be born and to be violent and wicked. It is beneficial for human beings to get along with each other and socialise its how we have come to survive and populate much of the earth's surface. Obviously not in all cases and to different extents. I wouldn't say its a pipe dream, I misused the word all when I referred to humans, but I would say that Neutral good would best define many peaceful people on this planet. Many people don't wish harm, chaos and discomfort, you will find more people are willing to do good than you think. You're welcome to disagree, there's too many variables to consider, but as someone had mentioned consistency within behaviour would be the best guide to what direction people live for, I think that direction tends to be for good, whether it is raising your children with care and attention, or trying to be polite. Those instances are small and trivial but the act of trying to make a difference for others is a positive one, but perhaps that is just my own point of view, I tend to hope and wish the best of others, its helped me this far
@Majoca Perhaps you could be Neutral Good no actually scratch that you probably are Neutral Good considering what you've said about yourself and your outlook on life. I never said i was anything at all, at the end of the day I'm just a person nothing more nothing less. To say I'm good is ludicrous, because to me "Good" and "evil" represent having to conform and be a certain way which is hard to do all the time. If you really want to make a positive impact Majoca take a shot and guess which alignment works for me, because really its all guess work. Base it on what you've learned about me through our conversation here or base it on our convo and re examining the OP, because i think you might find there's another answer.
@Majoca Also further more why say one cannot judge their own alignment because they will always be biased, then say everyone is Neutral Good? Plus since when is being polite associated with being Good automatically?
I don't understand what you are finding wrong with what I have said? I repeat, one cannot judge "their own" alignment because they will always be biased, my examples: Many people often think of themselves favourably because it is very difficult to live by thinking negativity about yourself especially if it is criticism about everything you are and do. More evidence of this bias is from the post where I was telling you what I thought you were, which I think is neutral good, but either you do not want to accept it or you think I am wrong which is fair enough I have a different outlook on life to others I could be wrong myself :P, but you are biased to your own alignment which is supported from a post I saw, I think you like to be associated with chaotic or some sort of mild evil.
I say everyone (which is an overstatement, not everyone is), but I think on average that is what most people will be, only based from the people I have met and from what I have read, seen and heard but that is just me, the one droplet of our ocean. human behaviour is often good and neutral, I understand there are some horrible things we have done as a species but on a natural level we do many things with love and passion we care for children (either parental or if a child is lost and in pain we will try to help out), we like to make a difference to something whether its helping or making things, we often like animals, many people have a love for dogs and cats and other animals, and we like to get along and have friends and in some cases we like to find a partner to help us get through life and make a family of our own with someone. We all like laughter and smiling and feeling good and that is why Goodness is natural.
I know that some people may be at the other end of the scales depending on what life they have lived and how they are brought up and the decisions that are made but you will often find people being good, more so than evil otherwise we would live in a war torn world. now I cannot speak for science as I don't know everything and I can imagine there is many ways which can cultivate evil behaviour and there is many factors I don't know which could possibly way against or for my argument.
Just because I said you cannot judge your own alignment due to bias, doesn't mean I can't make an overall estimation of humanity, and that is only if you can pick an Alignment, which I previously mentioned to be very difficult because its subject to change and grow and is much more complex than two words put together.
Politeness is a nice thing, it assumed to be of good intent because politeness is respectable. politeness can be done through fear, I understand that.
@Majoca Well you did not point out anything specific in what i provided that supported your placing of me as Neutral Good others have pointed things out that supported their placement before and you did not, so it was confusing as heck when you said i was Neutral Good, all you said was everyone or mostly everyone is Neutral Good by default, which from my understanding of humanity is silly and naive to say.
I am not sure if you haven't seen it where you live or do not know what happens to those that are considered "kind or nice" in the world they often get treated the same way as someone who is "cruel or unkind" because people cannot decide if they prefer good or bad people.
Yes there are probably Neutral Good people in the world, but to shoe horn people into the Neutral Good category and than say they have no right to say otherwise is quite the opposite of good in fact it seems sort of evil or selfish which is associated with Neutral but you probably don't see it that way . Why am i not allowed to say anything but you can? I do have freedom of speech.
Yes i suppose i can kinda understand where you are coming from with the whole there are many things to consider before saying you are this alignment i suppose so fair enough. Also sir if you are saying people will always be biased about their own alignment what about you? You come off as bias with all due respect about the whole idea of being Neutral Good and people being Neutral Good by default so wouldn't that apply to you as well?, as far as me wanting to be something Chaotic or mildly evil okay? . Everyone is different Majoca, but i am sure you know that already .
You definitely have a different view about the world than i do but you should understand that if you have a point of view you have to accept that people are gonna disagree if they either do not understand it or look at the world another way which is clearly the case in our back and forth exchanges.
Good and Evil are subjective at the end of the day, so what you consider "good" someone else will consider it "Evil" and this could go on and on.
Perhaps the people you have met are Neutral Good, but at the end of the day everyone has their own idea of what "Good" and "Evil" are, this also applies to "Lawful" and "Chaotic".
After our exchanges i am and this is my opinion, starting to think you are True Neutral with a huge slant towards Good. Like you are Neutral on both axis but from what you have said, you tend to heavily prefer Good over Evil.
You must be reading what I have put in a different way than how it was said in my head, It was not meant to sound like you cannot have an opinion. before I talk about the original point/post.
I have never said that you cannot have your own opinion I don't even think I implied it? Where do you get this accusation, I would like to see it from another point of view? I was only giving my opinion on the matter which didn't consist of "you cannot have your own opinion", I am explaining why I think the way I do and tried to shed some more light on it, I have never said my idea is the true way of thinking. so I am confused to why you would call me selfish for not allowing you or others have opinions as I haven't done so, to be honest pointing out freedom of speech is trivial as its very obvious, you do not need to tell me that you have an opinion and that others have them too, I already know and respect as such, however I like to express my own opinions too just like everyone else but unlike some people I try to go into detail.
I know you disagree, I didn't say you had to agree, all I said is that I don't understand what was wrong with what I said, it was clear, I was referring to the comparison between the ability to judge your own alignment compared to making an overall estimation, you can do both it does not make me a hypocrite if you were trying to imply this . as I said "Just because I said you cannot judge your own alignment due to bias, doesn't mean I can't make an overall estimation of humanity"
I have not said "no one has the right to say otherwise" I have only said people are biased about what they think about themselves perhaps you can change "one cannot" to "one cannot reliably tell what alignment they are" and I am well away that even my own opinions of myself are biased but I try to dilute and understand why I think the way I do about myself so that I do not exaggerate myself , I have no clue what alignment I am. I have only said on average, which doesn't mean all, so how am I shoe horning? and I could take the entire generalisation to a more specific level and only refer to the civilised world at an adult age because like I said it changes so the generalisation does not apply at birth, you are not born with an alignment, I only live in civilised world I have never lived in the jungle or part of a tribe or live in a war torn country so I cannot speak for those instances and how it would affect the alignment of a person, so the whole debate really becomes defunct when we start talking about how inaccurate the alignment system is and how to rate it from our point of view as its not a set value throughout your life
I don't think I am being silly or Naive, perhaps we interpret the alignments different, I don't see the good in neutral, good as a care worker or hero, I see them as people who want to better their lives and enjoy themselves, I could write hours about the meaning of the alignments from my point of view and we could make whole thread discussing the intricacies of each alignment but I think that's a really grey area.
"I am not sure if you haven't seen it where you live or do not know what happens to those that are considered "kind or nice" in the world they often get treated the same way as someone who is "cruel or unkind" because people cannot decide if they prefer good or bad people. "
This paragraph makes no sense, people who are kinder and pleasant get treat a lot different to people who are cruel and unkind, and even if at face value the cruel and unkind people are treat nicely, it's whole different kettle of fish behind their back and in other peoples minds, you will find you will have a lot less opportunities and assets being cruel and unkind to people. I know this because I would not be where I am now without my activate passion I have for people, helping them and being talkative.
Your small post that is trying to help me determine what alignment you are doesn't give me any information that implies you are of any evil intent, not trusting anyone is not evil, its being wary, its not even chaotic. Sleeping with a good friend who is dating someone at the moment is not an evil act, its possibly annoying for the third person who doesn't know if they found out. but sex and relationships are trivial in terms of alignment, if you abuse your partner and cause her misery that would be evil, if you make your partner happy and fulfil their needs it could be seen as good. Believing that people should be free is pretty neutral or good depending from what point of view are from, freedom is a great thing. You don't use violence, that's fair enough its a decent thing to not be forceful, Most people aren't pacifists, sometimes we have to defend ourselves, at the end of the day lawfully good paladins kill. Swallowing your feelings about issues again is not evil. I don't see anything you have put as an act of chaotic or mild evil alignment. So I do not understand why someone would think you have any evil in you, you seem chilled out and open to ideas but are wary about things that's all I get. I applied the neutral good because its a safe bet that you would probably help out if the moment arisen, I cannot imagine you actively attacking or hurting someone or being cruel from our conversations you seem interested in debating which I think is a good trait because you are actively caring about your own opinions, my opinions and wanting the conversation to carry on.
The way you worded some things in your post made me think what i thought about you, its quite apparent that you do like to go into detail.
I do still disagree with a lot of the points made but can see where one would be coming from with some of them.
People aren't born with an alignment? hm-mm to a certain extent this is accurate, but some people out there can and have remained the same since they were younger so it is possible.
Yea i interpret Neutral Good as the goodie two shoes that does nothing but good acts for the sake of them. But they will not go against the law unless they think going against it will benefit humanity over all. Plus they tend to be rejected and made to feel like a waste of oxygen for being that way unless its comic book world or you come across equally good people otherwise they will be made to feel bad. Also good people usually feel good when they do these acts, so those that do them and don't feel like they did anything or only did it to keep themselves a float tends to make this act look more Neutral than good.
Well then wherever you live must be a whole lot different from where i currently reside.
Didn't you say in your post that people can be so many things? so perhaps i come across as this aka Neutral Good to you because i wanted too? and that there is a lot to take into account before placing people into one alignment? On the bright side at least i finally got your explanation as to why you placed me as Neutral Good because that had me thrown for a loop for the longest time.
It seems to me that at this point in time you are Neutral Good.
No-one "knows you" from some postings on a gaming board. Just sayin', it's a bit naive to believe you get an accurate analysis of your innermost soul here.
I took the test and came up Lawful Good. I think I'm probably neutral, though, like everyone else on this forum (including the OP).
Here's my take on the different alignments.
Good: Sacrificing what is important to you to help others.
Evil: Sacrificing what is important to other people to further your own interests.
Neutral (with respect to good and evil): Making convenient sacrifices for other people (unless that person is important to you). Causing others to sacrifice for you is fine as long as they don't get hurt.
Lawful: Obeying authority or following laws even at your own expense.
Choatic: Disrespecting authority and breaking laws when they get in your way.
Neutral (with respect to law and chaos): You obey law and respect authority when and/or because it is convenient, but you break laws and disrespect authority when you can get away with it.
I believe you can determine best what alignment you are by looking at the actions you take under pressure. Another way is by looking at what sacrifices you make for whom at what cost.
If you find yourself rationalizing your actions all the time, then you are probably neither good nor lawful. If you find yourself trying to convince yourself to resist temptation, then you are probably neither evil nor chaotic.
Most people are neutral, not because they are born that way, but because neutral is the alignment of convenience.
No-one "knows you" from some postings on a gaming board. Just sayin', it's a bit naive to believe you get an accurate analysis of your innermost soul here.
@KidCarnival I suppose thanks for not getting me banned outright and you do have a point about not getting a straight up accurate analysis of your innermost soul, but that's not what i was going for KC but instead i was trying to point out that @Majoca was right when he pointed out he didn't know me well enough to say for sure i was Neutral Good. Of course no one really knows one another on here LOL we are logging onto a website on the internet saying words and this thread was about giving our best guesses heck even best educated guesses for which alignment we as people are possibly and the Original post could be perhaps.
1. You throw a fit if someone's opinion of your alignment doesn't equal your own opinion of your alignment. You have already decided which one you want, and this entire topic is about people agreeing with you. If that doesn't happen, you rage and that isn't very helpful for "making best educated guesses". Because there's no "guessing", there's only saying "bbman1000 is right" or "ragefit".
2. You keep editing postings to .................... I don't know why you do it, but it's not making a very entertaining read.
3. Alignments are the "innermost soul". A character's alignment is his/her essence, values, view on the world and the base for every desicion and action. Wanting a "best educated guess" from strangers therefore doesn't really work because they only see what you decide to show. You post about things you did or didn't or want to do, but I highly doubt that's a summary of your life. It's a tiny fraction and you alone decided which things to put up for debate here. They are out of context and no-one can say if that's the norm or an exception for you. Anything you give us to judge you is already your own judgement. You want to be labeled as evil? Easy, you post how you bullied your classmates and don't post about your job as a nurse. You want to be labeled as good? Post only you work as a nurse, don't post about the bullying. No-one here will know the whole truth, and therefore can't make an "educated guess".
1.I apologize if that's how i am coming across to everyone on here because i was not meaning too come across as that originally . Fair enough and again i apologize for derailing this thread from its intended purpose. Perhaps you are right.
2.I was wanting to delete them but i have not been able to figure out either how to delete them or how to get rid of them.
3.I agree with everything you say here 100% cannot argue with anything you say.
I don't think you can delete postings, but this explains why you do that. I wondered if the ..... were meant to say something like a riddle.
If you want to know your alignment, look at the key events in your life; the moments when you felt you were forced to make a choice that challenged your ethics or had only extreme options. What you did then, as a sum of all these events, will tell you what alignment mostly fits you. But no-one but you can tell, since no-one knows the context and thoughts that lead to your choices.
@Majoca I apologize if i offended you in any way with my response to you, i was just trying to say that i don't necessarily agree with your opinion on my alignment but than again you might be on to something who knows.
@KidCarnival Now i don't really know you, but to me you come across as Lawful Neutral more than Lawful Evil but again this is my opinion. Also @OneAngryMushroom's assessment of me is pretty darn close, realistically i would fall under Neutral or True Neutral because whenever i am presented with "moments when you felt you were forced to make a choice that challenged your ethics or had only extreme options." I go with the first thing that makes sense to me without considering if its "good" or "bad" or "lawful" or "chaotic". I don't really respect authority outright because its authority unless they give me a good reason too like if i find lawful people that do their jobs properly in my eyes, however i will not outright disobey them for the sake of being an anarchist because i like being able to sleep in a household in a bed made by a society. For the record i have Neutral Good days and agree with a few ideals and Neutral Evil days because i can see their side too, but at the end of the day i like to stay Neutral so i don't seem Bias because its easier to be unbias.
@bbman1000 you never needed to apologize, I never felt offended by anything you had said. As for your intentions everything you said was legitimate, I had a different idea and opinion which shed a different light on your posts. No harm done.
Looks like bbman1000 tried to get rid of his posts by deleting his whole account, but I would point out, if you post something you then later regret, you can still erase the whole thing in an edit, and just type "post deleted by author" and either give a reason or not, as you prefer. I do it all the time.
Sometimes discussing alignments gets people to arguing. The D&D alignment system is just coherent enough and just applicable enough to real life to become a debatable ethical philosophical theory or psychological theory, but not complex enough to be taken seriously in academia. But, if anyone knows of a successful academic research paper or article published about the D&D alignments, I'd love to read that, especially at the graduate or post-graduate level.
I found this chart late last night while introducing my friend to tabletop and we were arguing over character alignment. It places you based on your primary motivation, and it really freaking accurate too. So from now on I will simply drop this whenever an argument over alignment breaks out
@OneAngryMushroom, I really like how CN and CE are so close together on the alignment wheel. I grew up playing D&D with a group of high school peers who called themselves "CN", and who clearly played as "CE".
I saw a quote once that said "Face it, you're Neutral Evil." I think it was from an in-game book, and I think it should have said, "Face it, you're Chaotic Evil".
BTW, based on the wheel values, the only thing clear about me irl is that my colors are yellow and green. And, is true neutrality even possible on this wheel? The wheel makes me think that pure, "true" neutrality is a delusion. LN(E)/LE seems like the closest fit to so-called "true neutral" on this wheel chart.
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the @ is better for contacting someone directly. And yes I am Chaotic Neutral. Life's more fun when you don't even follow your own rules.
I think intelligence and what you know and what you are interested in affects your actions, but then at the same time the things that happen to you without your involvement and the actions you choose to perform also shape how you think... there are so many variables and things to take into account that the picture is much bigger than just two words that make an alignment.
I have been a part of bullying, I have stopped bullying, I have been a victim, I have bean hurtful to others, I have been generous/good, I have been curious and I have been ignorant, I have broke minor laws and followed them, I generally keep myself out of legal issues/troubles but sometimes it cannot be helped, I can be spontaneous as I can be ordered. I am silly and goofy as well as reasonably thoughtful, I am no Einstein and nor am I uneducated, I think as you get older there is a consistency of what you want to do or how you act.
I know I am curious like many people, I love learning, talking with others and listening, and the only rule I try to follow is "Never judge a book by its cover" I always question my first judgments. Other than that I am open to whatever happens, people are naturally good and it benefits us all for being good and yet we all have slightly evil/not so good willed thoughts and in worst of times we act upon them. As a child I knew stealing was wrong but I had stolen one of my friends pokemon cards anyway (because he had way too many in my opinion and even then I didn't steal a good one) I have also stolen food from a store or some cantine, but in guilt I donated the amount of money saved to a charity so things can get pretty complex am I good? or bad for what I have done, I am most likely good as I have not caused suffering and I hope I enriched a handful of peoples lives.
Evil and good I think are really opposite ends of each spectrum not everyone is so good that they will sacrifice everything to help others as we will become ill and cause pain to ourselves and there are very little people who are evil to the point of just only causing torture and domination for no reason, when people do that they are usually ill in the mind or medically/biologically affected or their mind has become twisted by something traumatic, you very rare get someone who just kills or causes pain for the pure sake of it, what benefit would an intelligent person get from a plain kill and then spending life in prison? it always about benefits and how it enriches your own life.
people who do things to become wealthier are motivated to live a life of luxury through hard work, my dad is very focused on making money, but he is more complex than that, he is caring as he is annoying.
My mother is very family orientated, caring, outgoing and talkative but single minded when it comes to many issues, political and sometimes racial. again there is much more to her than this though
That's the thing about being human we can be so much and do so many things and its all determined by what we want.
I think it would be safe to say that all humans are of a neutral good alignment, Because being good is a natural thing it benefits everyone and yourself, but we all do this in our own way and to our own levels and limits. The neutral comes into question because we are all a blank slates which can get influenced to think and act a certain way, much like animals are of a neutral attitude, its about survival, which is a neutral thing. There are no evil or good animals they just do what they need to survive and if that means killing or sharing they will.
So this brings me tightly to the OP, I think you're neutral good, however I don't know you enough at all even to make that judgement.
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the reason I think Neutral good is a default alignment is the fact that goodness is natural in human beings, it is a minority to be born and to be violent and wicked. It is beneficial for human beings to get along with each other and socialise its how we have come to survive and populate much of the earth's surface. Obviously not in all cases and to different extents. I wouldn't say its a pipe dream, I misused the word all when I referred to humans, but I would say that Neutral good would best define many peaceful people on this planet.
Many people don't wish harm, chaos and discomfort, you will find more people are willing to do good than you think.
You're welcome to disagree, there's too many variables to consider, but as someone had mentioned consistency within behaviour would be the best guide to what direction people live for, I think that direction tends to be for good, whether it is raising your children with care and attention, or trying to be polite. Those instances are small and trivial but the act of trying to make a difference for others is a positive one, but perhaps that is just my own point of view, I tend to hope and wish the best of others, its helped me this far
Plus since when is being polite associated with being Good automatically?
I don't understand what you are finding wrong with what I have said? I repeat, one cannot judge "their own" alignment because they will always be biased, my examples: Many people often think of themselves favourably because it is very difficult to live by thinking negativity about yourself especially if it is criticism about everything you are and do. More evidence of this bias is from the post where I was telling you what I thought you were, which I think is neutral good, but either you do not want to accept it or you think I am wrong which is fair enough I have a different outlook on life to others I could be wrong myself :P, but you are biased to your own alignment which is supported from a post I saw, I think you like to be associated with chaotic or some sort of mild evil.
I say everyone (which is an overstatement, not everyone is), but I think on average that is what most people will be, only based from the people I have met and from what I have read, seen and heard but that is just me, the one droplet of our ocean. human behaviour is often good and neutral, I understand there are some horrible things we have done as a species but on a natural level we do many things with love and passion we care for children (either parental or if a child is lost and in pain we will try to help out), we like to make a difference to something whether its helping or making things, we often like animals, many people have a love for dogs and cats and other animals, and we like to get along and have friends and in some cases we like to find a partner to help us get through life and make a family of our own with someone. We all like laughter and smiling and feeling good and that is why Goodness is natural.
I know that some people may be at the other end of the scales depending on what life they have lived and how they are brought up and the decisions that are made but you will often find people being good, more so than evil otherwise we would live in a war torn world. now I cannot speak for science as I don't know everything and I can imagine there is many ways which can cultivate evil behaviour and there is many factors I don't know which could possibly way against or for my argument.
Just because I said you cannot judge your own alignment due to bias, doesn't mean I can't make an overall estimation of humanity, and that is only if you can pick an Alignment, which I previously mentioned to be very difficult because its subject to change and grow and is much more complex than two words put together.
Politeness is a nice thing, it assumed to be of good intent because politeness is respectable. politeness can be done through fear, I understand that.
I am not sure if you haven't seen it where you live or do not know what happens to those that are considered "kind or nice" in the world they often get treated the same way as someone who is "cruel or unkind" because people cannot decide if they prefer good or bad people.
Yes there are probably Neutral Good people in the world, but to shoe horn people into the Neutral Good category and than say they have no right to say otherwise is quite the opposite of good in fact it seems sort of evil or selfish which is associated with Neutral but you probably don't see it that way . Why am i not allowed to say anything but you can? I do have freedom of speech.
Yes i suppose i can kinda understand where you are coming from with the whole there are many things to consider before saying you are this alignment i suppose so fair enough. Also sir if you are saying people will always be biased about their own alignment what about you? You come off as bias with all due respect about the whole idea of being Neutral Good
and people being Neutral Good by default so wouldn't that apply to you as well?, as far as me wanting to be something Chaotic or mildly evil okay? . Everyone is different Majoca, but i am sure you know that already
You definitely have a different view about the world than i do but you should understand that if you have a point of view you have to accept that people are gonna disagree if they either do not understand it or look at the world another way which is clearly the case in our back and forth exchanges.
Good and Evil are subjective at the end of the day, so what you consider "good" someone else will consider it "Evil" and this could go on and on.
Perhaps the people you have met are Neutral Good, but at the end of the day everyone has their own idea of what "Good" and "Evil" are, this also applies to "Lawful" and "Chaotic".
After our exchanges i am and this is my opinion, starting to think you are True Neutral with a huge slant towards Good. Like you are Neutral on both axis but from what you have said, you tend to heavily prefer Good over Evil.
I have never said that you cannot have your own opinion I don't even think I implied it? Where do you get this accusation, I would like to see it from another point of view? I was only giving my opinion on the matter which didn't consist of "you cannot have your own opinion", I am explaining why I think the way I do and tried to shed some more light on it, I have never said my idea is the true way of thinking. so I am confused to why you would call me selfish for not allowing you or others have opinions as I haven't done so, to be honest pointing out freedom of speech is trivial as its very obvious, you do not need to tell me that you have an opinion and that others have them too, I already know and respect as such, however I like to express my own opinions too just like everyone else but unlike some people I try to go into detail.
I know you disagree, I didn't say you had to agree, all I said is that I don't understand what was wrong with what I said, it was clear, I was referring to the comparison between the ability to judge your own alignment compared to making an overall estimation, you can do both it does not make me a hypocrite if you were trying to imply this . as I said "Just because I said you cannot judge your own alignment due to bias, doesn't mean I can't make an overall estimation of humanity"
I have not said "no one has the right to say otherwise" I have only said people are biased about what they think about themselves perhaps you can change "one cannot" to "one cannot reliably tell what alignment they are" and I am well away that even my own opinions of myself are biased but I try to dilute and understand why I think the way I do about myself so that I do not exaggerate myself , I have no clue what alignment I am. I have only said on average, which doesn't mean all, so how am I shoe horning? and I could take the entire generalisation to a more specific level and only refer to the civilised world at an adult age because like I said it changes so the generalisation does not apply at birth, you are not born with an alignment, I only live in civilised world I have never lived in the jungle or part of a tribe or live in a war torn country so I cannot speak for those instances and how it would affect the alignment of a person, so the whole debate really becomes defunct when we start talking about how inaccurate the alignment system is and how to rate it from our point of view as its not a set value throughout your life
I don't think I am being silly or Naive, perhaps we interpret the alignments different, I don't see the good in neutral, good as a care worker or hero, I see them as people who want to better their lives and enjoy themselves, I could write hours about the meaning of the alignments from my point of view and we could make whole thread discussing the intricacies of each alignment but I think that's a really grey area.
"I am not sure if you haven't seen it where you live or do not know what happens to those that are considered "kind or nice" in the world they often get treated the same way as someone who is "cruel or unkind" because people cannot decide if they prefer good or bad people. "
This paragraph makes no sense, people who are kinder and pleasant get treat a lot different to people who are cruel and unkind, and even if at face value the cruel and unkind people are treat nicely, it's whole different kettle of fish behind their back and in other peoples minds, you will find you will have a lot less opportunities and assets being cruel and unkind to people. I know this because I would not be where I am now without my activate passion I have for people, helping them and being talkative.
Your small post that is trying to help me determine what alignment you are doesn't give me any information that implies you are of any evil intent, not trusting anyone is not evil, its being wary, its not even chaotic. Sleeping with a good friend who is dating someone at the moment is not an evil act, its possibly annoying for the third person who doesn't know if they found out. but sex and relationships are trivial in terms of alignment, if you abuse your partner and cause her misery that would be evil, if you make your partner happy and fulfil their needs it could be seen as good. Believing that people should be free is pretty neutral or good depending from what point of view are from, freedom is a great thing. You don't use violence, that's fair enough its a decent thing to not be forceful, Most people aren't pacifists, sometimes we have to defend ourselves, at the end of the day lawfully good paladins kill.
Swallowing your feelings about issues again is not evil. I don't see anything you have put as an act of chaotic or mild evil alignment. So I do not understand why someone would think you have any evil in you, you seem chilled out and open to ideas but are wary about things that's all I get. I applied the neutral good because its a safe bet that you would probably help out if the moment arisen, I cannot imagine you actively attacking or hurting someone or being cruel from our conversations you seem interested in debating which I think is a good trait because you are actively caring about your own opinions, my opinions and wanting the conversation to carry on.
The way you worded some things in your post made me think what i thought about you, its quite apparent that you do like to go into detail.
I do still disagree with a lot of the points made but can see where one would be coming from with some of them.
People aren't born with an alignment? hm-mm to a certain extent this is accurate, but some people out there can and have remained the same since they were younger so it is possible.
Yea i interpret Neutral Good as the goodie two shoes that does nothing but good acts for the sake of them. But they will not go against the law unless they think going against it will benefit humanity over all. Plus they tend to be rejected and made to feel like a waste of oxygen for being that way unless its comic book world or you come across equally good people otherwise they will be made to feel bad. Also good people usually feel good when they do these acts, so those that do them and don't feel like they did anything or only did it to keep themselves a float tends to make this act look more Neutral than good.
Well then wherever you live must be a whole lot different from where i currently reside.
Didn't you say in your post that people can be so many things? so perhaps i come across as this aka Neutral Good to you because i wanted too? and that there is a lot to take into account before placing people into one alignment?
On the bright side at least i finally got your explanation as to why you placed me as Neutral Good because that had me thrown for a loop for the longest time.
It seems to me that at this point in time you are Neutral Good.
I await my banning!!
Here's my take on the different alignments.
Good: Sacrificing what is important to you to help others.
Evil: Sacrificing what is important to other people to further your own interests.
Neutral (with respect to good and evil): Making convenient sacrifices for other people (unless that person is important to you). Causing others to sacrifice for you is fine as long as they don't get hurt.
Lawful: Obeying authority or following laws even at your own expense.
Choatic: Disrespecting authority and breaking laws when they get in your way.
Neutral (with respect to law and chaos): You obey law and respect authority when and/or because it is convenient, but you break laws and disrespect authority when you can get away with it.
I believe you can determine best what alignment you are by looking at the actions you take under pressure. Another way is by looking at what sacrifices you make for whom at what cost.
If you find yourself rationalizing your actions all the time, then you are probably neither good nor lawful.
If you find yourself trying to convince yourself to resist temptation, then you are probably neither evil nor chaotic.
Most people are neutral, not because they are born that way, but because neutral is the alignment of convenience.
1. You throw a fit if someone's opinion of your alignment doesn't equal your own opinion of your alignment. You have already decided which one you want, and this entire topic is about people agreeing with you. If that doesn't happen, you rage and that isn't very helpful for "making best educated guesses". Because there's no "guessing", there's only saying "bbman1000 is right" or "ragefit".
2. You keep editing postings to .................... I don't know why you do it, but it's not making a very entertaining read.
3. Alignments are the "innermost soul". A character's alignment is his/her essence, values, view on the world and the base for every desicion and action. Wanting a "best educated guess" from strangers therefore doesn't really work because they only see what you decide to show. You post about things you did or didn't or want to do, but I highly doubt that's a summary of your life. It's a tiny fraction and you alone decided which things to put up for debate here. They are out of context and no-one can say if that's the norm or an exception for you. Anything you give us to judge you is already your own judgement. You want to be labeled as evil? Easy, you post how you bullied your classmates and don't post about your job as a nurse. You want to be labeled as good? Post only you work as a nurse, don't post about the bullying. No-one here will know the whole truth, and therefore can't make an "educated guess".
1.I apologize if that's how i am coming across to everyone on here because i was not meaning too come across as that originally . Fair enough and again i apologize for derailing this thread from its intended purpose.
Perhaps you are right.
2.I was wanting to delete them but i have not been able to figure out either how to delete them or how to get rid of them.
3.I agree with everything you say here 100% cannot argue with anything you say.
If you want to know your alignment, look at the key events in your life; the moments when you felt you were forced to make a choice that challenged your ethics or had only extreme options. What you did then, as a sum of all these events, will tell you what alignment mostly fits you. But no-one but you can tell, since no-one knows the context and thoughts that lead to your choices.
@KidCarnival Now i don't really know you, but to me you come across as Lawful Neutral more than Lawful Evil but again this is my opinion.
Also @OneAngryMushroom's assessment of me is pretty darn close, realistically i would fall under Neutral
or True Neutral because whenever i am presented with "moments when you felt you were forced to make a choice that challenged your ethics or had only extreme options." I go with the first thing that makes sense to me without considering if its "good" or "bad" or "lawful" or "chaotic". I don't really respect authority outright because its authority unless they give me a good reason too like if i find lawful people that do their jobs properly in my eyes, however i will not outright disobey them for the sake of being an anarchist because i like being able to sleep in a household in a bed made by a society.
For the record i have Neutral Good days and agree with a few ideals and Neutral Evil days because i can see their side too, but at the end of the day i like to stay Neutral so i don't seem Bias because its easier to be unbias.
Sometimes discussing alignments gets people to arguing. The D&D alignment system is just coherent enough and just applicable enough to real life to become a debatable ethical philosophical theory or psychological theory, but not complex enough to be taken seriously in academia. But, if anyone knows of a successful academic research paper or article published about the D&D alignments, I'd love to read that, especially at the graduate or post-graduate level.
It places you based on your primary motivation, and it really freaking accurate too. So from now on I will simply drop this whenever an argument over alignment breaks out
I saw a quote once that said "Face it, you're Neutral Evil." I think it was from an in-game book, and I think it should have said, "Face it, you're Chaotic Evil".
BTW, based on the wheel values, the only thing clear about me irl is that my colors are yellow and green. And, is true neutrality even possible on this wheel? The wheel makes me think that pure, "true" neutrality is a delusion. LN(E)/LE seems like the closest fit to so-called "true neutral" on this wheel chart.