Killing Marek and Lothander before that damn quest

griever0483

I just noticed some interesting things in Marek and Lothander quest.
The quest begins in the market area only if you met them in area AR0300 before. Here you can kill both and block that damn quest. If you kill only one of them the quest is broken too, but you will lose the magical items of the survivor. If you attack Marek before his dialogue he turns hostile and you can defeat him withe ease. Lothander will remain there neutral and than you can kill him too. If you attack (and kill) Lothander Marek will go on with his dialogue and I don't know if there will be future problems/bugs.

Jared4242

So while walking through Baldur's Gate, you decide to murder some random people on the street, just in case they make you have a very long and exciting quest.

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Calmar

The quest gives you the opportunity to claim one of the Tomes of Wisdom. Not too shabby, I think.

griever0483

@Calmar I can still steal it!

deltago

Jared4242 said:

So while walking through Baldur's Gate, you decide to murder some random people on the street, just in case they make you have a very long and exciting quest.

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You are a bhaal spawn. You can't resist your urges all the time.

Avenger_teambg

Killing lothander there will kill you in 20 days. Don't bother with bugreports then

griever0483

Can I CLUA the antidote or I have to reload? @Avenger_teambg

Avenger_teambg

griever0483 said:

Can I CLUA the antidote or I have to reload? @Avenger_teambg

SetGlobal("sprite_is_deadlothander","global",0) and pay another $20 :P

griever0483

I just tried it (Not the Set Global, but to sleep for 20 days). My party will not die because I killed Marek before his dialogue In any case, thanks! @Avenger_teambg

pcmodem

Have done this successfully twice, killed Marek and Lothander with ranged weapons and spells in BG before they had a chance to walk all the way up and initiate their dialogue sequence.

Yes, you miss out on earning experience from Lothander's quest, but this way you instantly get the very useful magic items carried by both. Note that I did this with a good party and suffered no loss of reputation!

the_spyder

Calmar said:

The quest gives you the opportunity to claim one of the Tomes of Wisdom. Not too shabby, I think.

Actually you can claim both tomes quite easily. All you have to do is kill Umberlee's priestesses. And that is ultimately what you are going to do anyway if you want to rescue the dead boy.

deltago

the_spyder said:

Calmar said:

The quest gives you the opportunity to claim one of the Tomes of Wisdom. Not too shabby, I think.

Actually you can claim both tomes quite easily. All you have to do is kill Umberlee's priestesses. And that is ultimately what you are going to do anyway if you want to rescue the dead boy.

Nope. If you are civil with her (and give her a bribe) she will give you the boy without a fight.

Fardragon

So, I can ether give away a ton of money or get a Tome of Wisdom. Sorry, evil priestesses loose...

moopy

Tome of Wisdom isn't on the Umberlee priestess unless you DID the poison quest, and gave it to her.

The one time when I was chaotic evil and did what this thread suggested (killed the two guys before the poison quest began) I also just walked into the place where you get the tome of wisdom from that guy, and killed him and the girl he was with and got it that way.

I then also killed all the priesteses of Umberlee... not for the quest for the boy... just because... when the boy that was his friend came to give me the message that starts the quest... I killed him... actually most of Baldur's Gate was dead that play through...

Toffee

There's talk about getting the tome of wisdom - forgive me if I'm wrong here, but surely the tome is in the posession of the morninglords until you get it off them for the quest. Could one not simply steal it off them regardless of your decisions concerning the temple of Umberlee?

ChildofBhaal599

I think i would prefer Tome of wisdom and 10000 xp. That is the biggest xp reward in the game for quest if I remember right, except maybe TOTSC quests.

Neonfisk

If you don't mind stealing the tome I have a better way to cheese the quest:

Charm Marek before he talks to you -> "Well, hey friends. Here, have the antidote. I didn't want it anyway."

"You are cured of Marek's poison" + 10000 exp (you don't actually get the antidote)

Talk to him again -> "I'll have your skull for what you've done!"

He turns hostile and you can kill him for his items. Lothander just stands there, broken, and can be killed too.

Lock

I just encountered a conundrum with this quest - I'd already initiated it, had used all of the tomes of wisdom already, but didn't want to kill the high priestess as my charname is a fan of Umberlee.

Turns out you can pickpocket her for the geass scroll with 100+ in the skill