There was a really good website discussing the relevance of the alignment system. If I was at my pc instead of this crappy iPad right now I'd be able to find it. Anyone have the link?
There was a really good website discussing the relevance of the alignment system. If I was at my pc instead of this crappy iPad right now I'd be able to find it. Anyone have the link?
I mostly play Chaotic Neutral since it reflects best the way I act in the game, sometimes True Neutral if I'm feeling a bit more mellow. I find it harder to relate to good/evil characters in the game generally. My groups tend to be of mixed alignment, which makes for interesting BG2 banter but I can't stomach the insufferable do-gooders nor the too twisted/asshole-ish NPCs.
Chaotic Good, Chaotic Neutral, True Neutral. I don't usually like being evil, but I like to do what I want. Though the not-being-evil part is hard in TOB because everyone STILL underestimates you.
Do you even know who I am??? I killed a Bhaalspawn who was powerful in his own right and prevented him from taking over Baldur's Gate, then starting a war with Amn. I killed a formerly-elven archmage and prevented him from destroying the Tree of Life and absorbing all of its power, and if Im not mistaken, said Tree is what gives Elves the world over their immortality. I hunt dragons and demiliches for sport! I've even killed the MULTIVERSE'S #2 DEMON, Demogorgon! And you still have the AUDACITY to claim that you're still more powerful than me?
Neutral Evil. Neutral means having a clear head and established view of world affairs, not letting either authorities or rebels manipulate you through emotion. Evil means being honest with yourself and others, not pretending to be avatar of monotheist ethics, and be free from society's expectations.
BTW, I always wondered - are there any atheists or pagans who prefer Good alignment?
@Xzar I don't think atheism/paganism precludes approval of good. Good is not necessarily synonymous with mainstream, monotheistic belief.
Humans and some other primates have a pretty heavily selected for altriusm & cooperation traits. Nonhuman primates can also demonstate "good" values of compassion and empathy. This goes a long way to explaining our view of good - it's something pretty hardcoded. We've had society & kin bonds for a couple of million years, but religion for only 50-70 thousand years. While some religions claim to be the arbiters of or font of all good, it's often codifying existing human behaviour.
TL;DR version - atheists can justify good by evolution or philosophy.
Neutral Evil. Neutral means having a clear head and established view of world affairs, not letting either authorities or rebels manipulate you through emotion. Evil means being honest with yourself and others, not pretending to be avatar of monotheist ethics, and be free from society's expectations.
BTW, I always wondered - are there any atheists or pagans who prefer Good alignment?
So you are saying that atheist likes being assholes?
It's just like in real life: Law and order are absolutely neccesary, but it can be easily overdone. And that's a REALLY bad thing (I'm living in the EU ... that's why I know what I'm talking about^^)
Neutral Evil. Neutral means having a clear head and established view of world affairs, not letting either authorities or rebels manipulate you through emotion. Evil means being honest with yourself and others, not pretending to be avatar of monotheist ethics, and be free from society's expectations.
BTW, I always wondered - are there any atheists or pagans who prefer Good alignment?
So you are saying that atheist likes being assholes?
I suppose that atheists believe only in physical ass holes, not metaphorical
Chaotic Neutral.. Free Spirits which do whatever they want without the wish to do too much good or hurting others too much.. if it can be avoided of course
I think the alignment system, while certainly better than anything most other games try to do, has its flaws. Does a Lawful Good person still follow the laws of a clearly corrupt and cruel tyrant? Or maybe they don't follow the laws, but become Chaotic Good in doing so. Then how do they go back?
But getting back to the topic: Depends on the character, but I do love Chaotic Neutral. The free spirit kind, not the psychopath! If there's a difference.
@bgplaya I always interpreted lawful good as working towards a good goal within the system. So a lawful good person working within a corrupt regime might try and gain influence with the ruler to moderate their excesses with wise advice, try to weed out bad apples within the system and change it from within, or gain enough power to legitimately change unfair laws.
They are often presented as intolerant zealots or holier-than-thou, but can be very interesting characters. Ned Stark from Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is a good man, torn between his loyalty to his king, his personal honour and the love of his family. He has to make difficult choices but tries to use legal means to reach his ends. He's what I understand lawful good to be.
@Corvino Ah, a Game of Thrones/ASOIAF reference. You know me well!
Good example, though. That does make more sense than what I was thinking. If I could still play Baldur's Gate, I'd reread the examples they have at the character creation screen. Those were always useful.
Neutral Evil. Neutral means having a clear head and established view of world affairs, not letting either authorities or rebels manipulate you through emotion. Evil means being honest with yourself and others, not pretending to be avatar of monotheist ethics, and be free from society's expectations.
BTW, I always wondered - are there any atheists or pagans who prefer Good alignment?
I love Paladins and Lawful Good. I love the religions in DnD especially Tyr and Torm, obviously. In the real world I too am a law abiding good person who gives to charity and sacrifices his time for others.
I am an atheist. Not deliberately, I just don't think god exists, no matter how cool I think it could be if he/they did exist.
Good is not dependent on faith in the same way that evil is not dependant on lack of faith. I think we have all seen examples of how faith really has nothing to do with alignment.
Since I can't seem to edit my post to ask, where do you think neutral good would fall on that spectrum? Maybe they work within the system for changes towards a better society, but if the system is obviously flawed, they'll go the more chaotic good route and start a revolution? Seems a bit too subjective, but I guess thats morality for you.
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There was a really good website discussing the relevance of the alignment system. If I was at my pc instead of this crappy iPad right now I'd be able to find it. Anyone have the link?
Do you even know who I am??? I killed a Bhaalspawn who was powerful in his own right and prevented him from taking over Baldur's Gate, then starting a war with Amn. I killed a formerly-elven archmage and prevented him from destroying the Tree of Life and absorbing all of its power, and if Im not mistaken, said Tree is what gives Elves the world over their immortality. I hunt dragons and demiliches for sport! I've even killed the MULTIVERSE'S #2 DEMON, Demogorgon! And you still have the AUDACITY to claim that you're still more powerful than me?
BTW, I always wondered - are there any atheists or pagans who prefer Good alignment?
Humans and some other primates have a pretty heavily selected for altriusm & cooperation traits. Nonhuman primates can also demonstate "good" values of compassion and empathy. This goes a long way to explaining our view of good - it's something pretty hardcoded. We've had society & kin bonds for a couple of million years, but religion for only 50-70 thousand years. While some religions claim to be the arbiters of or font of all good, it's often codifying existing human behaviour.
TL;DR version - atheists can justify good by evolution or philosophy.
It's just like in real life: Law and order are absolutely neccesary, but it can be easily overdone. And that's a REALLY bad thing (I'm living in the EU ... that's why I know what I'm talking about^^)
But getting back to the topic: Depends on the character, but I do love Chaotic Neutral. The free spirit kind, not the psychopath! If there's a difference.
All the alignments are interesting though.
They are often presented as intolerant zealots or holier-than-thou, but can be very interesting characters. Ned Stark from Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is a good man, torn between his loyalty to his king, his personal honour and the love of his family. He has to make difficult choices but tries to use legal means to reach his ends. He's what I understand lawful good to be.
Good example, though. That does make more sense than what I was thinking. If I could still play Baldur's Gate, I'd reread the examples they have at the character creation screen. Those were always useful.
I am an atheist. Not deliberately, I just don't think god exists, no matter how cool I think it could be if he/they did exist.
Good is not dependent on faith in the same way that evil is not dependant on lack of faith. I think we have all seen examples of how faith really has nothing to do with alignment.
Since I can't seem to edit my post to ask, where do you think neutral good would fall on that spectrum? Maybe they work within the system for changes towards a better society, but if the system is obviously flawed, they'll go the more chaotic good route and start a revolution? Seems a bit too subjective, but I guess thats morality for you.
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