How many charges does Greagan's Harp, Horn of Kazgorath and the Staff of Striking have?

Oxford_Guy

Unlike with wands etc. it's not possible to see how many charges Greagan's Harp, the Horn of Kazgorath and the Staff of Striking start with, does anyone know? Can either of these be sold and re-bought with more charges, if so, how many charges do they have on re-purchase?

Also does the horn always do the same damage to the character when used (10HP?)? Thanks

I have an evil Jester in mind for both the Harp and the Horn, which seems appropriate...

KidCarnival

I *think* the harp has 10 charges. I didn't try to sell/re-buy to recharge it though.

HaHaCharade

I just use the Horn of Kazakistan for the bonuses it gives, rather then actually using its ability...

Oxford_Guy

HaHaCharade said:

I just use the Horn of Kazakistan for the bonuses it gives, rather then actually using its ability...

But it doesn't do *anything* unless you use it, no?

Oxford_Guy

KidCarnival said:

I *think* the harp has 10 charges. I didn't try to sell/re-buy to recharge it though.

Thanks, I'll try to keep track of it, given that it's the *only* bard-specific item in BGEE, I feel justified in allowing myself to recharge it!

KidCarnival

Let me know. My jester might want a harp, too, though I see him more as a tambourine kind of person.

Wilbur

I read somewhere that The Horn of Kazgaroth has 15 charges and if you sell/re-buy it will have 30 charges.

Oxford_Guy

KidCarnival said:

Let me know. My jester might want a harp, too, though I see him more as a tambourine kind of person.

A Tambourine of Annoyance would be quite funny... The effect could be Emotion - Hopelessness :-_

Wilbur

I found and interesting note at 'Infinity Engine - SDA Knowledge Base' site on recharging items: "Placing the item into a container and removing it will also work, since containers are implemented as stores in the engine. "

I have not tested this myself.

Edit. It doesn't work at least in BG:EE.

Eudaemonium

In my EE game on iPad it actually displayed the number of charges (which i think was 10-15 ish). Does it not do this on PC or are you playing vanilla?

KidCarnival

Only wands show charges, or stacks of scrolls. (In EE, PC)

Tambourine of Annoyance would be... DLC I'd pay for.

TJ_Hooker

Eudaemonium said:

In my EE game on iPad it actually displayed the number of charges (which i think was 10-15 ish). Does it not do this on PC or are you playing vanilla?

On my last game it displayed the charges left for the harp and the staff. Never bought the horn though. It's kind of funny, even with items that say "number of charges: unknown" (I think cloak of the shield says this) you can check how many charges are left the same way you do for everything else.

Edit:

KidCarnival said:

Only wands show charges, or stacks of scrolls. (In EE, PC)

Tambourine of Annoyance would be... DLC I'd pay for.

I just checked in my EE game and was able to see # of charges for the Staff of Striking, Greagan's Harp, and Cloak of the Shield.

Eudaemonium

I just loaded my iPad game up and it has 20 charges for the Harp and 15 for the horn. I sold the staff since I had no staff users, so can't check it. I don't think I actually ever used the harp or horn, I just wanted them on my Bard for RP reasons, so I assume those are the maximum charges.

Oxford_Guy

So it sounds like starting number of charges are:

Greagan's Harp: 20 (20 on recharge)
Horn of Kazgorath: 15 (30 on recharge)
Staff of Striking: 20 (25 on recharge)

I think I'm just not seeing the charge count as I was just using Shadowkeeper to add them to the game to check out the effects, and I think that by default only gives each one charge.

Also, does anyone know if the negative effects from the Horn of Kazgorath are always the same? When I tried this with my Jester it did 10 HP of damage to my character, but is there a risk of Attribute loss or other nasty effects?

lDanielHolm

Staff of Striking has 25 charges after a recharge (just tested it). It lists the number of charges just the same as if it were a wand.

I think it had 15 charges when I first got it, but I am not certain.

Oxford_Guy

lDanielHolm said:

Staff of Striking has 25 charges after a recharge (just tested it). It lists the number of charges just the same as if it were a wand.

I think it had 15 charges when I first got it, but I am not certain.

Thanks, I've updated my previous post

mjs

It displays for me, 20 upon finding it

moopy

It shows the charges when you equip it. Or it should.

Lemernis

Greagan's Harp has 20 charges when you sell it and repurchase it.

Jalily

I can confirm that the Horn of Kazgorath has 30 charges after recharging.

The negative effect of the Horn is just 10 points of crushing damage each time. Would be much more interesting with some randomness and nastier effects.

Oxford_Guy

mjs said:

It displays for me, 20 upon finding it

Which item? I've assumed you meant the Staff of Striking?

Aranthys

Regarding the charges, not all places grant the same amount of charges to an item.
IE for me, Thalantyr grants me more charges than sorcerouns sundries for my Wands.

Note that the price of item is linked to the amount of charges, so it doesn't matter too much.

Oxford_Guy

Thanks everyone, I've updated the post where I list the number of charges. My Jester is going to have fun with the Harp, maybe the Horn too...

Oxford_Guy

Aranthys said:

Regarding the charges, not all places grant the same amount of charges to an item.
IE for me, Thalantyr grants me more charges than sorcerouns sundries for my Wands.

Note that the price of item is linked to the amount of charges, so it doesn't matter too much.

That's interesting, as you might not always have enough gold to buy a large charge.

BTW is there any store which will buy wands, amulets and instruments which you can also feasibly steal them back from?

My Jester currently has 75 pickpockets (80 with Luck spell, 120 with a single potion of Master Thievery on top of this, more with extra potions of Thievery/Perception/Mind Focusing), so is there a reasonable possibility he could sell a nearly empty wand/amulet/harp and then steal it back charged-up? I assume the downside to this would be that as the goods would then be considered "stolen", you wouldn't be able to sell and recharge the item again (unless Black Lilly will buy wands/amulets/instruments? Does anyone know? I know she *will* buy goods stolen from a store).

Just trying to think how to make the most of the abilities of the Bard class! :-)
Even if my Jester does end up having to spend gold for recharging, at least he would get a decent discount - 16 base Cha + 2 from Algernon's Cloak + 6 from Friends = 24 Charisma / 75% discount(?). My Reputation is rarely above 10, though, as am RPing neutral evil...

Jalily

Black Lily buys wands. She won't buy the Harp or the Horn though.

Oxford_Guy

Jalily said:

Black Lily buys wands. She won't buy the Harp or the Horn though.

Thanks @Jalily! Do you know if she'll buy the Greenstone Amulet and/or the Sandthief (Invisibility) ring?

I presume you can't steal from Black Lilly and sell back to her, though? That would be too cheesy.

Oxford_Guy

Jalily said:

Black Lily buys wands. She won't buy the Harp or the Horn though.

BTW who *will* buy the Harp, apart from Ulgoth's Beard (which I assume would buy it back)?

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mjs

Oxford_Guy said:

mjs said:

It displays for me, 20 upon finding it

Which item? I've assumed you meant the Staff of Striking?

Sorry, yeah the staff of striking.

KidCarnival

From what I see, Feldpost Inn buys most things that others will not buy. But you can't steal there, so it's no good for recharging that way. I haven't tried selling the harp in Nashkel, but that store does buy wands and they can be stolen back.

Jalily

Oxford_Guy said:

Thanks @Jalily! Do you know if she'll buy the Greenstone Amulet and/or the Sandthief (Invisibility) ring?

I presume you can't steal from Black Lilly and sell back to her, though? That would be too cheesy.

She will...and no, you can't steal from a fence.

Oxford_Guy said:

BTW who *will* buy the Harp, apart from Ulgoth's Beard (which I assume would buy it back)?

Surprisingly, Ulgoth's Beard won't buy it back. Feldepost, Winthrop, Thalantyr, and Sorcerous Sundries will, however. Winthrop is the only one of these you can steal from.