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Mentally Stable/Healthy Party Members

This is about putting together a group of mentally stable characters, not crazy people who excel in their respective fields of combat and/or magic.

This rules out...

Minsc, due to his "h..h..head wound" (despite being awesome as a person)
Xzar, who very rarely has anything coherent to say
Most evil characters are ruled out, I suppose that means we're looking at a more neutral party.

etc...

Stable:

Rasaad seems to be a well-adjusted individual who, despite his childhood trauma, has learned some valuable lessons about life.
Yeslick, he acts as a dwarf should, so any eccentricity is weighed against those standards.
Jaheira?
Kagain, though he's evil (lawful mind) he seems realistic.

Any others?

This is probably going to be a subjective topic. : p





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  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    Does that mean Imoen is out, then, with her talk of "trollops and plug tails", obviously a deviant and also a kleptomaniac ;-)
  • ZanteZante Member Posts: 15
    Don't get me wrong, I think that the most interesting characters are the ones who deviate from the norm' :p

    Just that sanity seems to be a rare commodity in this realm!
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    Zante said:

    Don't get me wrong, I think that the most interesting characters are the ones who deviate from the norm' :p

    Just that sanity seems to be a rare commodity in this realm!

    I think a party of the *most* insane/deviant NPCs would be more fun to play :-)
  • ZanteZante Member Posts: 15
    edited February 2013
    There should be some sort of stress-related variable for the main character/leader (influenced by fatigue and alignment spectrum of constituent members). If it gets too high, he has a nervous breakdown and everyone disbands. He/she then has to spend a week alone in order to sort their life out/reset it. : D

    So putting Minsc in charge might mean having a lower than average stress threshold which non-sword wielding party members act as a multiplier against.

    "Mage, why you not use sword!"
  • LemernisLemernis Member, Moderator Posts: 4,318
    Hmm. I guess I'd approach this topic along the lines of if one were actually there in that world, and the characters acted according to who they are personality-wise (versus the game per se)...

    Imoen, Rasaad, and Yeslick are probably the least inwardly troubled without also having other major personality issues.

    Garrick is happy-go-lucky and amusing but Chaotic Neutral, and his description indicates that he's naive and gullible. Even though he has 14 Wisdom (huh ?), his description sounds like he's actually foolhardy. You'd be inclined to forgive his poor judgment at times because of his Cha, though.

    Alora is super-happy, but she's evidently overcompensating big time. As a Chaotic type she might risk doing something that could get the party in trouble from time to time, eg, pickpocket and get caught.

    Kivan is sort walking wounded re: his loss and revenge quest, but he seems deadly effective despite that. He's not a happy person but he'd be a rock, I think.

    Dynaheir isn't necessarily the most likeable going from her lines (although Cha 12 is high normal), but she would be dependable and doesn't seem obviously screwed up.

    Kagain, while selfish at heart, could nevertheless be trusted because he is Lawful. He would be bound by his word.

    Branwen has something to prove, so that would actually give me pause.

    Jaheirra and Khalid both have substantial issues. Ajantis actually gets into fights with NPCs.
  • SCARY_WIZARDSCARY_WIZARD Member Posts: 1,438
    Garrick! Also, Branwen.
  • kingthrallkingthrall Member Posts: 76
    well Xan probally suffers from depression
    Coran would be mentally stable
    Kiavan is revenge driven so not stable
    Branwen is sane
    Tiax , well he ended up in the asylum need I say more?
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    I find Branwen, despite being a bit on the boring side, to be quite balanced. When she's told that women don't make decent priests, she just shrugs and sees it as a test of her faith. Other warriors would probably have lost it.

    A case can also be made for Montaron. He says he is a loner and wants to be left in peace, but he doesn't snap and stabs the party in the back. He also lacks the hunger for power some other evil NPCs have and obeys his orders despite being teamed up with a fruitcake he can't stand. If nothing else, he clearly has an effective way of anger management. (Not sure how you define "stable", but unlike Kagain, Montaron also isn't prejudiced against a species - Kagain doesn't like elves.)

    Garrick comes off as a bit naive or idealistic, but his wisdom says that's not really the case. It's probably just a quirk that comes from being a bard who actively collects tales of heroic deeds. If you hear about so much badassery and awesome, you probably can't help but to think of the world in a more idealistic way. He doesn't compare these tales to himself and gets "OMG I'm so worthless" breakdowns, so all in all, I'd say he's stable, too.

    Alora is maybe a bit *too* happy, but not traumatized and not suffering from any mental illnesses. But then, she's a thief, so she'd be a kleptomaniac, like all other thieves. (Except Safana, I think she's a different brand of thief and rather manipulates than steals.)
  • MathmickMathmick Member Posts: 326
    Sanity? SANITY?? HAhahaha! I don't know what you are talking about!? I think you should immediately stop this plan and go DYE!!! YES! Your shirt colour is ridiculous!
  • SCARY_WIZARDSCARY_WIZARD Member Posts: 1,438

    Garrick comes off as a bit naive or idealistic, but his wisdom says that's not really the case. It's probably just a quirk that comes from being a bard who actively collects tales of heroic deeds. If you hear about so much badassery and awesome, you probably can't help but to think of the world in a more idealistic way. He doesn't compare these tales to himself and gets "OMG I'm so worthless" breakdowns, so all in all, I'd say he's stable, too.

    I like you. :3
  • CorvinoCorvino Member Posts: 2,269
    Jaheira doesn't really have any major issues (bar a chip on her shoulder, as per character bio) until BG2, so she could be seen as stable.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    Mathmick said:

    Sanity? SANITY?? HAhahaha! I don't know what you are talking about!? I think you should immediately stop this plan and go DYE!!! YES! Your shirt colour is ridiculous!

    "My hovercraft is full of eels!"

  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    Don't rule out evil characters. Dorn is sane and reasonably stable. He quest for vengence is no more unreasonable than Kivan's. Viconia is sane. The new guy is sane, but larger than life as you would expect a showman to be.
  • RadhamanthysRadhamanthys Member Posts: 106
    @Oxford_Guy I will not buy this record it is scratched!
  • ChowChow Member Posts: 1,192
    Nobody is ever fully sane and stable, because happiness is boring. That's why everyone has a bunch of disorders or dark backstories or whatever.

    True art is dramatic and angsty.
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Too much drama and angst can be very boring and stereotypical in itself. This is the first time I ever took Alora along, and though I expected her to annoy the hell outta me, she doesn't. And she's not boring either. Not my fave NPC, but still, there are worse NPCs in terms of personality and annoyance.

    Baeloth is chaotic evil, so I don't think he is really fully sane/stable. I agree that an entertainer can be larger than life, but he is bordering on megalomania.
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  • lunarlunar Member Posts: 3,460
    Crazy and unbalanced NPCs are very obvious, I think:

    Edwin-talks to himself loudly (schizo or divided personality disorder) has superiority complex and megalomania with a touch of narcissism

    Tiax-God complex, delusional and psychopath. schizotypal personality?

    Quayle-has superiority complex and paranoid aspects.

    Alora-mania with kleptomancy issues. may be putting on a cheerful mask (aka:stepford smiler)

    Imoen-a lighter version of Alora.

    Xan-chronic depression, melancholy

    Khalid-high anxiety, panic attacks

    Jaheira-controlling and bossy behaviour/persona, passive-agressive aspects.

    Viconia-hints of anti social behaviour (but she is a drow, it is their norm?)

    Kivan-depression, with obsession of vengeance.

    Coran-erotomania, seeks thrill and danger, has a lot of adventures with the other sex, hints of mania

    Xzar-schizo with psycopath behaviour

    Montaron-sadist, anti social behaviour

    Safana-histrionic personality disorder

    Minsc-imaginative friend (sorta, his hamster, does Boo really talk to him?) or he is mirroring his inner thoughts by using his pet, has manic episodes, uncontrallable rage when angered, childish intelligence-reasoning
  • The_New_RomanceThe_New_Romance Member Posts: 839
    edited February 2013
    lunar said:

    Crazy and unbalanced NPCs are very obvious, I think: *snip*

    So... basically all of them? While I would agree that an adventuring lifestyle might draw people whose psyche deviates a little from he norm (and would in itself lead to stress and trauma, which might fuel mental illness), I don't think the conclusion that basically all NPCs in BG are crazy is warranted.

    There are some that are obviously off, such as Xzar, Tiax or Minsc with his Intelligence that would be mental retardation in modern standards, but the rest is most likely normal or has what psychologists call "accentuated personalities". Just because you like to have affairs (see Coran) doesn't make you a sex-addict and bipolar. And if Xan were really chronically depressed, he wouldn't be an adventurer - he would be sitting at home all day and most likely hardly be able to even make himself dinner. I'd also say it's very difficult to diagnose anti-social behaviour in people that are basically mercenaries and make a living out of fighting and killing. It's their job, and while some may find it fun and actually be anti-social (which would mean they turn on their comrades as well, which Viconia or Montaron don't do), you can't just say "armed thug equals psychopath". A certain desensitization and according one-liners (such as in the case of Montaron) may just come with the territory.

    But yeah, maybe I'm taking this too seriously :)
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    lunar said:

    Crazy and unbalanced NPCs are very obvious, I think:

    Edwin-talks to himself loudly (schizo or divided personality disorder) has superiority complex and megalomania with a touch of narcissism

    Tiax-God complex, delusional and psychopath. schizotypal personality?

    Quayle-has superiority complex and paranoid aspects.

    Alora-mania with kleptomancy issues. may be putting on a cheerful mask (aka:stepford smiler)

    Imoen-a lighter version of Alora.

    Xan-chronic depression, melancholy

    Khalid-high anxiety, panic attacks

    Jaheira-controlling and bossy behaviour/persona, passive-agressive aspects.

    Viconia-hints of anti social behaviour (but she is a drow, it is their norm?)

    Kivan-depression, with obsession of vengeance.

    Coran-erotomania, seeks thrill and danger, has a lot of adventures with the other sex, hints of mania

    Xzar-schizo with psycopath behaviour

    Montaron-sadist, anti social behaviour

    Safana-histrionic personality disorder

    Minsc-imaginative friend (sorta, his hamster, does Boo really talk to him?) or he is mirroring his inner thoughts by using his pet, has manic episodes, uncontrallable rage when angered, childish intelligence-reasoning

    What about Eldoth?
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    edited February 2013
    lunar said:

    Crazy and unbalanced NPCs are very obvious, I think:

    Edwin-talks to himself loudly (schizo or divided personality disorder) has superiority complex and megalomania with a touch of narcissism

    Tiax-God complex, delusional and psychopath. schizotypal personality?

    Quayle-has superiority complex and paranoid aspects.

    Alora-mania with kleptomancy issues. may be putting on a cheerful mask (aka:stepford smiler)

    Imoen-a lighter version of Alora.

    Xan-chronic depression, melancholy

    Khalid-high anxiety, panic attacks

    Jaheira-controlling and bossy behaviour/persona, passive-agressive aspects.

    Viconia-hints of anti social behaviour (but she is a drow, it is their norm?)

    Kivan-depression, with obsession of vengeance.

    Coran-erotomania, seeks thrill and danger, has a lot of adventures with the other sex, hints of mania

    Xzar-schizo with psycopath behaviour

    Montaron-sadist, anti social behaviour

    Safana-histrionic personality disorder

    Minsc-imaginative friend (sorta, his hamster, does Boo really talk to him?) or he is mirroring his inner thoughts by using his pet, has manic episodes, uncontrallable rage when angered, childish intelligence-reasoning

    I'm glad you aren't my psyciatrist!

    By those standards, it's not just BG NPCs that are insane, but everybody in real life too!

    Curiously, you have left the violently man-hating Shar-teel OFF your list. Hmm, I wonder what that could mean...
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    If you are out to diagnose NPCs, sure, you'll find something that fits. It's easy because (especially BG1) NPCs have little personality and most things are based on a few lines they say. None of the NPCs betrays you by default; they leave due to your reputation, not because of their personality or because they disagree with a particular choice you made. So even the most sociopathic freak will not kill you in your sleep and instead be loyal to the bitter end if you satisfy the reputation needs.
    A mental illness also doesn't equal an unstable person. The lawful evil NPCs are still able to play by the rules and will be more predictable/reliable than a chaotic good NPC.
  • lunarlunar Member Posts: 3,460
    Not all NPCs are crazy or unbalanced, I think. But you are right, most are not normal in the commoner sense. An adventurer is not normal, anyway.

    On the other hand, I interpret Montaron is not just a mercenary with a tough facade, he really enjoys cruelty and harming others. (his alignment and general behaviour) Xzar and Edwin definitely have some psychiatric ilness. And also Tiax and Quayle, too. And ofcourse, Minsc. These five are the most derranged and mentally ill IMHO. (though Edwin is quite stable, maybe thanks to his lawful alignment, he still has his issues) You can add Shar-teel to the list for her...peculiar behaviour against males general.

    Still, Dynaheir comes off as a sophisticated, well learned and mannered lady on a mission. Branwen is hot-tempered but not 'axe-crazy kill them all' blood thirsty way, she is just priestess of a war god. Yeslick is a very stable and simple guy, despite his tragic past. Ajantis is self-righteous and can be a bit of a bigot, but it comes with the paladinhood, I guess. Garrick and Skie are just very green and unexperienced, they are quite oblivious if a touch stupid. Eldoth is a manipulative bastard, but not excessively cruel or psychotic. Oh yes I forgot Shar-teel definitely has some daddy issues. Faldorn is very obsessive with nature, all druids should be obsessing about nature but she takes it to another level (cue her BG2 appearance)
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    edited February 2013
    lunar said:

    Not all NPCs are crazy or unbalanced, I think. But you are right, most are not normal in the commoner sense.

    A common SF plot (Bablyon 5 for example): A society creates a robot to eliminate anyone deemed "not normal". Two weeks later the species is extinct.
    An adventurer is not normal, anyway.

    On the other hand, I interpret Montaron is not just a mercenary with a tough facade, he really enjoys cruelty and harming others.
    That doesn't make him insane. Ever met a school bully?
    (his alignment and general behaviour) Xzar and Edwin definitely have some psychiatric ilness.
    Edwin is ecentric and theatrical, but only Xzar is certafiable.
    And also Tiax and Quayle, too.
    Quayle is an unpleasent person, but he isn't mad in any way.
    And ofcourse, Minsc. These five are the most derranged and mentally ill IMHO. (though Edwin is quite stable, maybe thanks to his lawful alignment, he still has his issues) You can add Shar-teel to the list for her...peculiar behaviour against males general.
    Shar-teel has issues, but, given her past, there is nothing "peculiar" about them, they are completly understandable.
    Still, Dynaheir comes off as a sophisticated, well learned and mannered lady on a mission. Branwen is hot-tempered but not 'axe-crazy kill them all' blood thirsty way, she is just priestess of a war god. Yeslick is a very stable and simple guy, despite his tragic past. Ajantis is self-righteous and can be a bit of a bigot, but it comes with the paladinhood, I guess. Garrick and Skie are just very green and unexperienced, they are quite oblivious if a touch stupid. Eldoth is a manipulative bastard, but not excessively cruel or psychotic. Oh yes I forgot Shar-teel definitely has some daddy issues. Faldorn is very obsessive with nature, all druids should be obsessing about nature but she takes it to another level (cue her BG2 appearance)
    Given that he is the most prone to trying to kill anyone whose personal belief system he disaproves of, Ajantis is the most dangerously insane NPC of the lot.
  • ChowChow Member Posts: 1,192
    Fardragon said:

    That doesn't make him insane. Ever met a school bully?

    School bullies have the excuse of being children, and having their mental capacities still growing. A lot of kids act cruel and outright sociopathic, but it's just a phase they're going through and they can be expected to pass through it by the time of adulthood.

    An adult still acting like that, such as Montaron, is typically considered as not quite right up there.
  • elementelement Member Posts: 833
    garrick, branwen and dynaheir all seem pretty normal to me
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    I think Minsc is perfectly well adjusted and I think the reason is that Boo keeps him sane. After all, isn't that what every giant miniature Space Hamster is supposed to do? I know mine does. And he gives really good forum advise as well.
  • CoutelierCoutelier Member Posts: 1,282
    I can't think of many NPC's I would really call unstable. Even the most traumatized are generally quite 'normal' and healthy in the ways they behave and the mechanisms they've developed to cope. Of course, a case could be made that anyone completely normal would probably settle down and get a real job rather than go fighting and foraging across the realms.

    Xzar and Minsc are obviously a bit more unstable than the rest, and Viconia a bit self-destructive with the way she constantly mocks and goads everyone. But for the most part they're all somewhat predictable.
  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 3,300
    edited February 2013
    Dynaheir , obviously.


    Come on, you can't be in a hole full of human bodies and leave with your mind unspoiled.
  • MadhaxMadhax Member Posts: 1,416
    I tend to view any druid as at least a little imbalanced, though Jaheira is better than most. The concept of idealizing balance to the point of killing good people to maintain such a balance strikes me as an indefensible moral code.

    Of course, I don't actually see Jaheira as True Neutral. She's totally Neutral Good.
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