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Joia is holding out on you!

MelicampMelicamp Member Posts: 243
edited March 2013 in Archive (General Discussion)
I always thought it humorous how Joia in the Friendly Arm Inn, wants your help finding her Flamedance Ring that was taken from her by Hobgoblins. When you ask what's in it for me? (evil response) she says "Nothing. I have no gold to give. I was just robbed, remember?"

Yet..... When you pick the lock on her chest, there's an Andar Gem in there. Also, if you kill her, she has 163 gold on her corpse. She's also worth *900* EXP, making me think she was just lazy and could have killed those Hobgoblins herself. What peasant is worth that much exp?

So in the end, I like to complete the quest, then take her out and grab the coin that *should* have been my reward. That's what evil chickens do.
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  • lunarlunar Member Posts: 3,460
    Interesting to know. What is her alignment? She is obviously lying.
  • MelicampMelicamp Member Posts: 243
    edited March 2013
    lunar said:

    Interesting to know. What is her alignment? She is obviously lying.

    Ya know, I've never cast Know Alignment / Detect Evil on her... Mainly because I *never* take such spells. Would be interesting to know though. You lose rep for killing her, so I'm thinking she's good aligned or at the very least, some form of neutral.

  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 3,300
    edited March 2013
    Even as a good guy I turn down her request.

    I mean, she wants us to risk our lives for a ring, and give nothing in return? What a douche...
  • lunarlunar Member Posts: 3,460
    I don't think she is evil, either. But maybe chaotic. Heh, a paladin charname should cast detect evil near her, she is the first quest giver out in the big world. And the next named guy you meet near the entrance of the inn, well, is not exactly a friendly sort either. You are not in Candlekeep anymore, charname. =D
  • MelicampMelicamp Member Posts: 243
    Chow said:

    900 experience? Damn, I think I will need to kill her afterwards the next time I do this quest. Because she's obviously an evil liar. Yeah.

    Yeah. If you kill her you get 900 exp, 163 gold, her ring back (which being a Flamedance Ring sells for a decent amount) and you lose like 3-4 Rep. You gained 1 rep by helping her. So I think you lose like 2 rep total from the deed. Which literally you basically just made enough money back to make back up if you want to. So what you gain is the exp really, which is nothing to scoff at.

    Also, if you want to kill her it can be tough because the minute she takes her ring she leaves the house. What I do is surround her on all sides with my characters before talking to her to complete the quest. Then shes blocked in and can't leave. 2 or 3 hits and she goes down.
  • lunarlunar Member Posts: 3,460
    Does she even have a weapon equipped to fight back? I don't think so, so 900 xp is a tad much for an unarmored nonspellcaster enemy with no weapon. Unless she is a monk, which is not feasible as she is a liar. (Not the most lawful behaviour)
  • MelicampMelicamp Member Posts: 243
    Delvarian said:

    Helping those in need is its own reward.

    Agreed but she's not in need :P
  • MelicampMelicamp Member Posts: 243
    lunar said:

    Does she even have a weapon equipped to fight back? I don't think so, so 900 xp is a tad much for an unarmored nonspellcaster enemy with no weapon. Unless she is a monk, which is not feasible as she is a liar. (Not the most lawful behaviour)

    No weapons on her or in the house
  • DelvarianDelvarian Member Posts: 1,232
    Bad bad chicken!
  • MelicampMelicamp Member Posts: 243
    edited March 2013
    Delvarian said:

    Bad bad chicken!

    My party takes out a few peeps at the Friendly Arm. Like Unshey on the second floor (who himself is worth 430 exp). If you give him back the Girdle of Piercing, hefty reward. Then you kill him and take it back. The key is, you have to charm the nobleman in the next room over so he doesn't call the guard (which is also sweet because if you talk to him after charming, he gives you a ring to protect it from thieves - lol, silly man). Also should take the rest of your party downstairs and do it with one person. That ups your chances of not having the guard called.
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  • DJKajuruDJKajuru Member Posts: 3,300
    Delvarian said:

    Helping those in need is its own reward.

    Those in need of flamedance rings?
  • SilverstarSilverstar Member Posts: 2,207
    It's not neccessarily her home, thus nor is the gem in the chest, and while she's worth 900 xp and therefor a few levels high at least, she may not exactly be the young healthy fighty type anymore. You don't lose levels after all. So that leaves her lying about money and if those 163 gold is all she has (there doesn't seem to be an abundance of banks on the sword coast) it's somewhat understandable she wouldn't want to part with them.
  • MelicampMelicamp Member Posts: 243
    edited March 2013
    Silverstar said:

    It's not neccessarily her home, thus nor is the gem in the chest, and while she's worth 900 xp and therefor a few levels high at least, she may not exactly be the young healthy fighty type anymore. You don't lose levels after all. So that leaves her lying about money and if those 163 gold is all she has (there doesn't seem to be an abundance of banks on the sword coast) it's somewhat understandable she wouldn't want to part with them.

    It seems to me that the Inn Proper is the main building with Bentley in it. The cottages on the side are permanent residences for the farmers, etc. that you see there. Even if that's not the case, it seems odd that treasure would be locked in a room that wasn't yours. Out of 163 gold even a reward offered of say, 10 or 20 gold, would mean something given how much she values the ring.
  • NonnahswriterNonnahswriter Member Posts: 2,520
    This may have just convinced me to restart my evil playthrough...

    Evil!Charname: "See? I told you we should have just killed her."

    Me: "But you say that about everybody you meet; you ought to learn when not to kill someone for your own benefit."

    Evil!Charname: "And you clearly need to learn when killing someone is actually a good idea! 900 experience!? I could use those extra points!"

    Me: "*sighs*"
  • zupskyzupsky Member Posts: 126
    900xp? Thats way too much, it should be nerfed.
  • MelicampMelicamp Member Posts: 243
    zupsky said:

    900xp? Thats way too much, it should be nerfed.

    Eh some things are best left alone. If they should nerf anything imo, it should be the amount of gold she has.
  • ChowChow Member Posts: 1,192
    No, zupsky does have a point. She's just a random peasant, in the end: there's nothing whatsoever in her that's worth such a large amount of experience points.

    So what I'm saying is of course that we need to make her a secret Iron Throne spy that puts up a legitimate fight.
  • zupskyzupsky Member Posts: 126
    Melicamp said:

    zupsky said:

    900xp? Thats way too much, it should be nerfed.

    Eh some things are best left alone. If they should nerf anything imo, it should be the amount of gold she has.
    It was sarcasm, I just looove how almost every topic in request category is about nerfing stuff in single player game.
    Joias xp, wizardry ring, and all other stuff are hidden bonuses for people that play BG for years, and shouldn't be nerfed in any way.

    On topic: Now Joia will never see another sunlight on my evil playthroughs ]:->

  • SilverstarSilverstar Member Posts: 2,207
    Melicamp said:

    Even if that's not the case, it seems odd that treasure would be locked in a room that wasn't yours.

    Eh? It could belong to anyone that lives in the keep and the fact the container is locked might be a very good indication it isn't Joia's; if she's there and can keep an eye on it, it doesn't need to be locked does it. As for why she's in a living room that may not be hers there could be any number of reasons. Why are YOU in it? :p
  • SCARY_WIZARDSCARY_WIZARD Member Posts: 1,438
    lunar said:

    Interesting to know. What is her alignment? She is obviously lying.

    She came up as Chaotic Neutral in EE Keeper! Might be of the "crazy" variety.
  • VnavekulVnavekul Member Posts: 181
    Now I want to do a playthrough where I kill everyone who doesn't have a neutral or good alignment. Cleansing the Sword Coast, with force!
  • MelicampMelicamp Member Posts: 243
    SCARY_WIZARD said:

    lunar said:

    Interesting to know. What is her alignment? She is obviously lying.

    She came up as Chaotic Neutral in EE Keeper! Might be of the "crazy" variety.
    Wow!
  • karnor00karnor00 Member Posts: 680
    Clearly the 900xp is a reward for seeing through her lies and dealing with her appropriately.
  • PawnSlayerPawnSlayer Member Posts: 295
    There is also the fact that until BG: EE you never lost reputation for killing her. Meaning a good-aligned party could return the ring, kill her before she leaves, get all the experience and loot and gold.

    Somewhat undermines the RP aspect of it though, so was good that it was fixed.
  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190
    edited March 2013
    I find it kind of funny that I'm watching Horrible Bosses while you guys are plotting to kill some potentially evil liar lady.

    EDIT: On a related note, doesn't she use the Fighter sprite? That seems a bit odd.
  • WebShamanWebShaman Member Posts: 490
    Well, while her duplicity and perhaps reasons are suspect, I hardly think that they are grounds for murdering her (because that is what it is, murder. Pre-meditated, in fact in most cases, like "do the quest, collect reward, then kill her").

    Of course, for an evil character, who cares?

    It would be cool if she was actually an agent of the Iron Throne, who got the bad end of the stick from the Hobs and was looking for revenge...I wonder if those Hobs are actually from the bandits? Or perhaps she is just greedy, and wanted the ring. Or maybe she truly is insane.

    I think she is just what she is - chaotic neutral, and is acting on a whim - those Hobs have a nice ring that she wants (being that she is either an Iron Throne spy, or was approached to work for them), and here comes a group of gullible adventurers right to her doorstep. Opportunity knocks! I sincerely doubt that the Hobs would steal her ring without killing her (and perhaps eating her afterwards, or whatever).

    Do Paladins and Rangers fall if she is killed? The knock to rep makes sense (one kills her after all in the Keep, so it is pretty difficult to keep that secret).

    The rather large XP award for what should just be a peasant or farmer's wife, etc, seems rather large. There must be more involved here.
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