I'm not sure whether or not by the end of ToB, after you've chosen the good route exclusively and the Solar is offering you her aid, corruption is still going to be an issue for you. I think that depends on player interpretation and perhaps the character itself, so choosing godhood (with a cleansed essence or something) or rejecting Bhaal's evil are equally valid options to me.
I'm also not sure if you're being offered a specific portfolio. If you are being offered murder... sure, it's a bit hard to turn that to goodness, but you'd probably need to wrest that from Cyric anyway, and that obviously wouldn't be an ex-pally's priority. So it does seem like an open-ended situation where nobody really knows exactly what portfolios you're going to end up with.
I utterly reject the notion that a paladin shouldn't accept godhood on account of it being too powerful a position. Torm, the god of paladins, was originally a mortal. He obviously isn't some crazy megalomaniac now. Your former patron would probably be happy to have a new servitor deity to help out. For a paladin, accepting godhood isn't a relinquishment of responsibility; it's an assumption of that much more.
But do you think your god will approve that you raise yourself to godhood, potentially stealing worshipers from him/her.
Considering if you have followed a particular god your ideas and vision should be similar, which increases the chance that you steal his worshipers.
Your ideas and vision aren't as important as your portfolio and how you use it to fit your ideas and vision. The average person doesn't typically need help from the God of Murdering Evildoers, so Helm or Tyr or other more utilitarian deities should be safe.
The game never says you will take murder as your portfollio in any case. New gods often get whatever portfolio you can seize, and while murder is certainly one there are presumably other things you could go for. Its not a point the game is clear on, though, so I can see the concerns.
It's been a little while since I played ToB but don't you actually talk to Cyric and can make a deal that he keeps his god of murder status and you just take the power? Considering his power is only borrowed from Bhaal's essence you still are able to take the power and leave him to his title. If I'm wrong then my apologizes.
Also, lunar, you have to understand the simple fact that D&D storyline can be whatever you want it to be. Just because a person wrote a book about a story where people did different things, doesn't mean they're the "D&D norm." Hell, if a DM wants they can say right as you start a campaign that your character blows up and is rebuilt hundreds of times over and somehow becomes a god at level 1. Not a very believable story, but it's legit as far as D&D rules go because there really isn't any rules. As the v1.0 books say, the books and stories are just a guideline for the DM to follow, what they say happens, happens is the only true law of the game. Hell, I've played a D&D campaign where guns were allowed, no rpg's but i was packing around a m16, uzi, and 2 desert eagles.
The greatest and most loved forms of rule/government have been benevolent dictatorships.
Presumably due to the strangely little-acknowledged fact that most people don't give a rat's ass about freedom as long as life is pretty fine, and they have plenty of bread and circuses. Especially nicely baked bread.
Presumably due to the strangely little-acknowledged fact that most people don't give a rat's ass about freedom as long as life is pretty fine, and they have plenty of bread and circuses. Especially nicely baked bread.
Too true, brother. Sitting here in America having to buy bread and pay for cable when I could have free bread and gladiatorial events in ancient Rome. Freedom? More like free-dumb.
Presumably due to the strangely little-acknowledged fact that most people don't give a rat's ass about freedom as long as life is pretty fine, and they have plenty of bread and circuses. Especially nicely baked bread.
Too true, brother. Sitting here in America having to buy bread and pay for cable when I could have free bread and gladiatorial events in ancient Rome. Freedom? More like free-dumb.
The greatest and most loved forms of rule/government have been benevolent dictatorships.
Presumably due to the strangely little-acknowledged fact that most people don't give a rat's ass about freedom as long as life is pretty fine, and they have plenty of bread and circuses. Especially nicely baked bread.
But bread has so many carbs!
But all the innocent, little, myconids you've eaten don't.
The greatest and most loved forms of rule/government have been benevolent dictatorships.
Presumably due to the strangely little-acknowledged fact that most people don't give a rat's ass about freedom as long as life is pretty fine, and they have plenty of bread and circuses. Especially nicely baked bread.
But bread has so many carbs!
*rage* CARBS ARE THE LOWEST FORM OF FOOD! (on the food pyramid)
@Remenissions Ofcourse, rules are flexible to the DM and players. But some DnD novels are considered canon, the events are considered to have transpired exactly in Fearun like it is written. I think Avatar series were like that.
I don't remember the details of any bargain with Cyric in ToB, though. It is never stated if charname becomes the new god of murder if he chooses. Sarevok obviously aims to be one, 'Face me, Face the new Lord of Murder!' and possibly Big M too. But they are both chaotic evil and murder portfolio suits them.
But if a paladin pc becomes a god, he may be able to reshape the portfolio into his own image, maybe. In the books, famous bard Finder killed Moander, Evil God of rot and decay. He became a god of change and renewal in the arts, keeping in tune with the rot/decay concept but never embracing the vile/dark aspects of it. Maybe a paladin pc may become a heroic god of monster slaying, the horror of all abberations and evil monsters. It fits, as pc must have killed thousands of monsters at that point. ^^
True, as it says a lot in ToB, you're a center of murder and thus death. It is all around you at all times. If you played through as good, it was obviously the death of evil. Murder by it's definition something/one killing something/one. It is usually just thought of in a negative, evil way. As Kat Williams said, "Murder, murder who?! I known that (censored) for two weeks. He would NEVER do somethin' like that."
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Being of the Good alignment ought to preclude being a jealous power-hungry monopolist.
I'm also not sure if you're being offered a specific portfolio. If you are being offered murder... sure, it's a bit hard to turn that to goodness, but you'd probably need to wrest that from Cyric anyway, and that obviously wouldn't be an ex-pally's priority. So it does seem like an open-ended situation where nobody really knows exactly what portfolios you're going to end up with.
I utterly reject the notion that a paladin shouldn't accept godhood on account of it being too powerful a position. Torm, the god of paladins, was originally a mortal. He obviously isn't some crazy megalomaniac now. Your former patron would probably be happy to have a new servitor deity to help out. For a paladin, accepting godhood isn't a relinquishment of responsibility; it's an assumption of that much more.
On a totally unrelated note, @OneAngryMushroom, I want to play multiplayer with you while you play a character Shadowkeeper'd into a myconid. Your ideas and vision aren't as important as your portfolio and how you use it to fit your ideas and vision. The average person doesn't typically need help from the God of Murdering Evildoers, so Helm or Tyr or other more utilitarian deities should be safe.
Also, lunar, you have to understand the simple fact that D&D storyline can be whatever you want it to be. Just because a person wrote a book about a story where people did different things, doesn't mean they're the "D&D norm." Hell, if a DM wants they can say right as you start a campaign that your character blows up and is rebuilt hundreds of times over and somehow becomes a god at level 1. Not a very believable story, but it's legit as far as D&D rules go because there really isn't any rules. As the v1.0 books say, the books and stories are just a guideline for the DM to follow, what they say happens, happens is the only true law of the game. Hell, I've played a D&D campaign where guns were allowed, no rpg's but i was packing around a m16, uzi, and 2 desert eagles.
I'd totally do that, but my internet is really crap at my house so I can't get a stable connection. I'll contact you when it gets fixed.
Or any disembowelment in general?
Puts you right off your bread, it does.
I don't remember the details of any bargain with Cyric in ToB, though. It is never stated if charname becomes the new god of murder if he chooses. Sarevok obviously aims to be one, 'Face me, Face the new Lord of Murder!' and possibly Big M too. But they are both chaotic evil and murder portfolio suits them.
But if a paladin pc becomes a god, he may be able to reshape the portfolio into his own image, maybe. In the books, famous bard Finder killed Moander, Evil God of rot and decay. He became a god of change and renewal in the arts, keeping in tune with the rot/decay concept but never embracing the vile/dark aspects of it. Maybe a paladin pc may become a heroic god of monster slaying, the horror of all abberations and evil monsters. It fits, as pc must have killed thousands of monsters at that point. ^^
Here's the link to the video (WARNING: EXPLICIT): h ttps:// www.youtube.com/ watch?v=0u-wYl cxbMY
EDIT: didn't realize putting the link in would put the video in the forum, remove spaces when you copy+paste.