Why don't we mod BG 2EE instead of waiting for an official release then @Zur312? Why Enhance PS:T? Let's mod an enhancement also too. Why release an BG 3? Just use BG EE engine and mod an BG 3 also. Why DLCs for new content on BG EE, just mod what you want, why fix bugs? Just make a tweakmode for them.
Mod is something accessory, it should suply the lack of content when it's not possible to obtain it by official means or to reflect an game opinion of a modder, people should stop of invert the means with the end, it's not only directed to you this reply @zur312, but to a lot of people in this forum also.
but mods for npcs are available now and bg2 ee is not are you suggesting that "we" are "evil" modders?
I always thought Eldoth was more a Charlatan. I've been reading the 2E handbooks trying to conceptualise some special NPC kits for the evil NPCs, and the Charlatan just seems so Eldoth. Sadly, I haven't really worked out how to BGify the Charlatan's abilities. (And then I'd need to learn how to code, but I am working on that).
Eldoth isn't dark or macabre enough to be a Dirgesinger--he's more of a conniving, conceited rat-bastard, which is why I agree with @Eudaemonium that the Charlatan kit fits him perfectly.
Not that I wouldn't welcome a Dirgesinger NPC in the game (a perfect fit for my party, actually) but that'll never happen without modding (e.g., G3's Song and Silence mod for BG2/Tutu).
Eldoth as Diresinger: Assuming @Eudaemonium makes the mod to have Eldoth, Shar-Teel and (dead) Skie in the BG2 intro dungeon as evil charname, he would have lost his lover. It would change him, just like Khalid's and Dynaheir's deaths change Jaheira and Minsc. Eldoth would not become the loyal servant of a musically interested lich or something, just someone who gives a damn about everything and either blame charname, Irenicus or the world for her death. He'd come to think everyone deserves to suffer the same and use his cunning and charm to "generously share" his grief with everyone he encounters. He'd be stuck in the "anger" phase of grief.
@shawne: Eldoth and Skie's exact relationship is pretty nebulously explored. It is true that she wants to leave her father, and that Eldoth is going to use said opportunity to extort her father for money. Whether he actually cares about her *and* is taking financial advantage of the situation, or whether he's only in it for the money is never really explored, and thus largely up to interpretation.
Well, there isn't the option to send her father e-mails or photos of Skie posing with today's newspaper to prove she's alive. Eldoth doesn't really need her to stay with him for the plan. He could just drop her off somewhere and tell her to wait there ("I have to take care of a few things before our adventure, I'll be back soon" style), send her off with a carnival, gypsies or whatever. He doesn't, he actually insists on her being in the same adventuring party. It's not like dismissing Skie lets you keep Eldoth; it goes both ways. So he has to see something in her - possibly a gullible girl that is good at lockpicking and therefore pretty useful for a con man. Either way, he seems to see an advantage in keeping her around, even if the love part is one-sided.
If you interpret Neutral Evil as "only cares about himself", Eldoth would probably not mourn Skie, but the loss of a useful tool. Being a con man, he'd also discover that grief can make people very sympathetic to him and they are easier decieved if he approaches them as a heartbroken man.
The issue with Dirgesinger versus Charlatan in this case, however, is that I think the former requires Eldoth to actually be broken up of Skie in some kind of deep emotional fashion, which I'm not entirely convinced he would be - though there is the element of what would happen to his con after Entar's death-by-assassin, presumably after which his whole scheme would collapse. Obviously Eldoth actually loving Skie in some level would make for an easier and more sympathetic portrayal of him in a hypothetical BG2 mod, but he could always feel some kind of guilt over it regardless, and indeed an Eldoth who is forced to wrestle internally with some combination of 'Did I Love Her?/She Was Just a Tool' might make for a more conflicted and interesting character, at least in my opinion. Nonetheless, I think a general 'Charlatan' kit fits Eldoth in toto, since it captures a significant part of his way of being in the world, beyond is relationship with Skie.
Regardless, I don't want to derail this thread anymore with interpretations of Eldoth's character vis-a-vis a mod I would like to one day create but even if it does occur would likely happen in something like 3 years time. XP
Mod is something accessory, it should suply the lack of content when it's not possible to obtain it by official means or to reflect an game opinion of a modder, people should stop of invert the means with the end, it's not only directed to you this reply @zur312, but to a lot of people in this forum also.
So a mod is an accessory that's meant to reflect opinions that either can't be incorporated into the game for legal reasons or aren't popular enough to warrant official implementation.
... Like the desire to reincorporate BG1 NPCs into BG2?
Exactly @shawne, i really doubt the devs would consider to carry some BG characters to BG2, and mod for that could be nice. However for Baeloth, they say that he's not going to BG2, but a deeply invested character as him with lot of content would probally come later as DLC, that's what i think.
Ps: This dirgesinger kit should be perfect for Xan, if he was an bard and not an mage (and that can be changed via mod). His moonblade at the hands of a bard would be at least better used.
No, what they said was that Baeloth would have a role in BG2:EE but it wouldn't be as a party member. And I'm fine with that - because, again, not every BG1 character has to come back for BG2 - but if you really want him back, I'm sure someone will mod him in eventually.
Baeloth is 100 times better than any mage, i am restarting with him, viconia, eldoth, and my main is a f/t orc. Love dorn but inlike eldoth more, and my main is better than dorn
Baeloth is 100 times better than any mage, i am restarting with him, viconia, eldoth, and my main is a f/t orc. Love dorn but inlike eldoth more, and my main is better than dorn
Baeloth is 100 times better than any mage, i am restarting with him, viconia, eldoth, and my main is a f/t orc. Love dorn but inlike eldoth more, and my main is better than dorn
But can he make it even bloodier than you hoped?
Don't make this any harder for me than it is already...
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are you suggesting that "we" are "evil" modders?
Not that I wouldn't welcome a Dirgesinger NPC in the game (a perfect fit for my party, actually) but that'll never happen without modding (e.g., G3's Song and Silence mod for BG2/Tutu).
If you interpret Neutral Evil as "only cares about himself", Eldoth would probably not mourn Skie, but the loss of a useful tool. Being a con man, he'd also discover that grief can make people very sympathetic to him and they are easier decieved if he approaches them as a heartbroken man.
Regardless, I don't want to derail this thread anymore with interpretations of Eldoth's character vis-a-vis a mod I would like to one day create but even if it does occur would likely happen in something like 3 years time. XP
... Like the desire to reincorporate BG1 NPCs into BG2?
Ps: This dirgesinger kit should be perfect for Xan, if he was an bard and not an mage (and that can be changed via mod). His moonblade at the hands of a bard would be at least better used.
Don't make this any harder for me than it is already...
Look, there's only one orc profile picture.