I like the ideas @Mordeus posted above. "Romance" is probably a misleading term for those options, but it's pretty much what I would want. Friendship paths and mentor paths, though I'd prefer mentors in BG1. Charname just lost a father and mentor and is still on the beginning of the journey, so it would be nice if some of the older NPCs could continue (or deconstruct) Gorion's guidance. Despite the low levels, I would say that Kagain, Yeslick and Quayle are clearly old enough to play a father role. I can also see Xan as a teacher, and from the thieves, Safana seems to have the most experience with her pirate adventures.
Now THAT sounds like a good idea. I'd be very much in favor of being able to build friendships with NPCs. Frankly, I'm in favor of just about any increase in NPC interaction.
I think Irenicus should be romancable. or at the very least, Bodi.
no Bodhi. it won't work. i have recieved visions of a charname name abdel who romanced her. luckily, it was all a dream and not real. it must never be real. bad things will happen. and certainly no imoen and phaere action. only charname gets that honor
I think Irenicus should be romancable. or at the very least, Bodi.
no Bodhi. it won't work. i have recieved visions of a charname name abdel who romanced her. luckily, it was all a dream and not real. it must never be real. bad things will happen. and certainly no imoen and phaere action. only charname gets that honor
Believe me, Bodhi wouldn't be any worse than some women I have dated.
Well, guys have many to pick from already (not to mention that little Miss Wild Girl comes into the equation in BG2EE). So I thought Valygar or Haer'Dalis would be cool for girl PCs, but then again Edwin... would be the most hilarious romance line ever! I don't like rolling female CHARNAMEs, but if Edwin would be romancable... I think I would take an exception!
It would also be interesting to romance little sis. It is a bit weird, but I don't think that having the same god for your father would qualify such relationship to be considered as incest.
Normally I'd vote for Haer'Dalis, as he's awesome and female PCs need more romances, but with two more romanceable men already on the way and a Hae'Dalis romance mod out there, my vote goes for Mazzy. Because Mazzy is an awesome three-foot-tall badass.
Dunno why it would be, as an Imoen romance mod already exists.
Otherwise I would like to see both Nalia and Mazzy for the guys. Haer'dalis, Valygar, and Korgan for the girls. Haer'dalis could probably swing both ways and be an option for both.
Well I can say Imoen, but there is a mod out there which I'm trying to do with time available.
But I would like to see Vicky or Aerie go for the same gender. Also I would love to have a relationship with Mazzy especially one that could possible corrupt her lawful goodness or maybe she could change your alignment. Though I anxious to see how that Wild mage has mature over time and will she continue to use me to protect herself from the world. Of course she wants a big and tough Paladin to protect her from those evil red wizards.
I really can't see Edwin and even less Korgan work as a non-silly romance. It would either be pure comic relief and not offer a serious alternative for female charnames, or it would be way out of character. Haer'Dalis or Valygar or both would be a good addition, but there are already way more romances than I find believable, especially with the contrast of no-one just wanting a friendship. Friends, mentors, even (friendly) rivals would all be more interesting and add something new.
Haer D'alis, as a bisexual romancable npc. He is a cool, sexy, dirty rock star with a nihilistic outlook, and he has not only one, but two excellent, and big...errm, short swords. ^^
Mazzy for novelty purposes. It'd be good for the short races to get a romance option, and it'd be good to explore the potential with a taller Charname. There's room for serious questions about fetishes versus feelings, and lots of silly jokes besides.
I'm very concerned at the number of people that want an Imoen romance, and sincerely hope it's because they don't care about roleplaying all that much.
I'm very concerned at the number of people that want an Imoen romance, and sincerely hope it's because they don't care about roleplaying all that much.
Well they could make it where she pursues you and then you could wig out and reject her and then you could have awkward conversations with her through out the rest of the game. I'm sure it would lively up the situation in any roleplay. Definitely give it a feel of realism.
I'm very concerned at the number of people that want an Imoen romance, and sincerely hope it's because they don't care about roleplaying all that much.
It isn't as if the incest issue hasn't be addressed. In the Imoen romance mod that already exists Imoen is disgusted with herself for a while for how she feels about the PC.
The fact of the matter is that the PC and Imoen spent as long as they can remember together as a sort of sibling while not actually believing themselves to be ACTUAL siblings. Feelings could develop after spending all that time with somebody, and then when you find out she is your half sister because you share the blood of not a conventional father but a god of murder, do you just automatically shut off those long developed feelings because, "Ew. Incest?"
For a lot of people, their society and their personal set of morals and values say yes. But this is a different universe and a different set of circumstances than anything that exists in our world.
@Itstucktwice Well it did make things a little awkward for Luke and Leia Skywalker.
But seriously, it's not so much because of incest but because the charname/Imoen relationship has always been about them seeing each other as big brother/little sister or as family. To turn it all romantic or sexual would undercut what they've already got going on, or rather add another level of complexity to an already complex relationship. They are the only siblings of note in the game and that in itself is special.
Besides, Imoen is one of the more fleshed out characters in BG2, that giving her a romance over other candidates would be a little too much attention. I couldn't see Imoen having a romantic relationship with anyone anyways, especially considering that she's in such an incredibly fragile state during BG2. It just doesn't feel like she's all that balanced to start something, while charname had all of BG1 to get used to being a Bhaalspawn.
@Mordeus Luke and Leia are completely different. They are not just half-siblings on account of their father, who is a divine entity, they are twins! And in different universe, which is closer to our modern day world, whereas BG is closer to a feudalistic, middle age Earth. In those times incest wasn't even frowned upon so much as it is nowadays.
And I can't fully agree with this seeing each other as family, brother/sister thing. They were both living in Candlekeep, which is full of monks, old men and soldiers, not really a place where you can have many friends of your age growing up. They were there for each other from the beginning, knowing that they are not brother and sister by blood. Imagine when your sexual desires start to develop and the only person close to you is your cute adopted sister. Kids actually can start to develop such feeling for family members if someone doesn't tell them that it's disgusting and unacceptable.
And what you are saying about BG2 actually steers things to a different direction! People get into relationship most of the time when they are fragile and in need of someone to hold onto. Who's better for that than the boy you grew up with?
Let's not friendzone Imoen just because they share the same divine entity as their father!
Besides, incest was really common in polytheistic pantheons, so I don't think that it even matters.
@Senash It's probably my own personal perspective on relationships but I don't think it's really the best thing to enter into a relationship with someone who has just suffered a psychotic break, and who continues to have violent, brutal dreams everytime they go to sleep. That's not exactly the peak of mental health. You could say I'm also against a Tiax romance too because they aren't thinking clearly.
Sure some people enter into romantic relationships purely because they choose to rely on someone else through difficult times, but the character development of Imoen is based around her stepping out of the shadow of Charname. For her fighting for the courage of self-reliance. Aerie is an example of a romantic partner who confides in Charname over the loss of her wings, or Jaheira over the loss of Khalid, or Viconia over her experiences as a drow or Anomen over the loss of his sister. But they all have some distance between their present and their past pain, Imoen is continually living out her own personal hell. Having constant visions of murder isn't something you can push aside to pursue a love affair. Charname has some distance too on being a Bhaalspawn since he's experienced his fair share of violent dreams during BG1 while it only starts to manifest with Imoen til BG2.
It's not that I'm against a Charname/Imoen romance, it's that I'm against any romantic pairing involving Imoen. Can't see her paired with Anomen, Haer'dalis, etc... She's just trying to hold onto her sanity for the most part. Maybe something could happen between her and Charname after she gives up her Bhaalspawn essence but the girl's got more on her mind than romance. I just don't buy into the idea that through romantic love, Imoen can overcome the darkness within her. The healing must come from her first, and that's what she does inbetween SoA and ToB.
@Mordeus All I'm saying, is that in my opinion, in a time like that you really need someone to hold you while you're trying to sleep, a shoulder to cry on, and someone, who understands the pain you are going through. The romantic involvement doesn't necessarily mean having crazy monkey sex, while trying to cope with your dreams and heritage. A sympathetic hug can spark a lot in times of distress.
But maybe it's just me. My girlfriends always told me that I'm a bit of a protective/fatherly figure, so I like to protect girls who are having it rough (not taking advantage of the situation deliberately mind you!).
I guess we have to agree to disagree, because I do believe that Imoen would like some help to overcome her darker side and the best way for that help would be someone who is more interested in her cares more about her than enyone else in the world.
The more love the better. Basically, with high enough Charisma, romance with every single joinable character should be an option, regardless of race, preferences and marital status. The game should not restrict the number of simultaneous romances as well; it should be a decision made by Charname whether he/she/it wants to pursue a relationship with a single being, a multitude of them, or even travel with a whole harem of partners tagging along after him/her/it. Freedom of will is sacrosanct; not even I ever violate it. Well, perhaps a few times in the past. But, you know, stuff happens. And sometimes it's like a mispronounced sheet.
I'm very concerned at the number of people that want an Imoen romance, and sincerely hope it's because they don't care about roleplaying all that much.
It's not my cup of tea either, but is she really your sister?
The only link between you is a dead god.
I don't know if he'd show up on a paternity test... or, er, a Detect Paternity spell (school Divination, sphere Family, level 3).
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Now THAT sounds like a good idea. I'd be very much in favor of being able to build friendships with NPCs. Frankly, I'm in favor of just about any increase in NPC interaction.
It would also be interesting to romance little sis. It is a bit weird, but I don't think that having the same god for your father would qualify such relationship to be considered as incest.
Dunno why it would be, as an Imoen romance mod already exists.
Otherwise I would like to see both Nalia and Mazzy for the guys. Haer'dalis, Valygar, and Korgan for the girls. Haer'dalis could probably swing both ways and be an option for both.
But I would like to see Vicky or Aerie go for the same gender. Also I would love to have a relationship with Mazzy especially one that could possible corrupt her lawful goodness or maybe she could change your alignment. Though I anxious to see how that Wild mage has mature over time and will she continue to use me to protect herself from the world. Of course she wants a big and tough Paladin to protect her from those evil red wizards.
The fact of the matter is that the PC and Imoen spent as long as they can remember together as a sort of sibling while not actually believing themselves to be ACTUAL siblings. Feelings could develop after spending all that time with somebody, and then when you find out she is your half sister because you share the blood of not a conventional father but a god of murder, do you just automatically shut off those long developed feelings because, "Ew. Incest?"
For a lot of people, their society and their personal set of morals and values say yes. But this is a different universe and a different set of circumstances than anything that exists in our world.
But seriously, it's not so much because of incest but because the charname/Imoen relationship has always been about them seeing each other as big brother/little sister or as family. To turn it all romantic or sexual would undercut what they've already got going on, or rather add another level of complexity to an already complex relationship. They are the only siblings of note in the game and that in itself is special.
Besides, Imoen is one of the more fleshed out characters in BG2, that giving her a romance over other candidates would be a little too much attention. I couldn't see Imoen having a romantic relationship with anyone anyways, especially considering that she's in such an incredibly fragile state during BG2. It just doesn't feel like she's all that balanced to start something, while charname had all of BG1 to get used to being a Bhaalspawn.
They are not just half-siblings on account of their father, who is a divine entity, they are twins! And in different universe, which is closer to our modern day world, whereas BG is closer to a feudalistic, middle age Earth. In those times incest wasn't even frowned upon so much as it is nowadays.
And I can't fully agree with this seeing each other as family, brother/sister thing. They were both living in Candlekeep, which is full of monks, old men and soldiers, not really a place where you can have many friends of your age growing up. They were there for each other from the beginning, knowing that they are not brother and sister by blood. Imagine when your sexual desires start to develop and the only person close to you is your cute adopted sister. Kids actually can start to develop such feeling for family members if someone doesn't tell them that it's disgusting and unacceptable.
And what you are saying about BG2 actually steers things to a different direction! People get into relationship most of the time when they are fragile and in need of someone to hold onto. Who's better for that than the boy you grew up with?
Let's not friendzone Imoen just because they share the same divine entity as their father!
Besides, incest was really common in polytheistic pantheons, so I don't think that it even matters.
Sure some people enter into romantic relationships purely because they choose to rely on someone else through difficult times, but the character development of Imoen is based around her stepping out of the shadow of Charname. For her fighting for the courage of self-reliance. Aerie is an example of a romantic partner who confides in Charname over the loss of her wings, or Jaheira over the loss of Khalid, or Viconia over her experiences as a drow or Anomen over the loss of his sister. But they all have some distance between their present and their past pain, Imoen is continually living out her own personal hell. Having constant visions of murder isn't something you can push aside to pursue a love affair. Charname has some distance too on being a Bhaalspawn since he's experienced his fair share of violent dreams during BG1 while it only starts to manifest with Imoen til BG2.
It's not that I'm against a Charname/Imoen romance, it's that I'm against any romantic pairing involving Imoen. Can't see her paired with Anomen, Haer'dalis, etc... She's just trying to hold onto her sanity for the most part. Maybe something could happen between her and Charname after she gives up her Bhaalspawn essence but the girl's got more on her mind than romance. I just don't buy into the idea that through romantic love, Imoen can overcome the darkness within her. The healing must come from her first, and that's what she does inbetween SoA and ToB.
But maybe it's just me. My girlfriends always told me that I'm a bit of a protective/fatherly figure, so I like to protect girls who are having it rough (not taking advantage of the situation deliberately mind you!).
I guess we have to agree to disagree, because I do believe that Imoen would like some help to overcome her darker side and the best way for that help would be someone who is more interested in her cares more about her than enyone else in the world.
The only link between you is a dead god.
I don't know if he'd show up on a paternity test... or, er, a Detect Paternity spell (school Divination, sphere Family, level 3).