I have full confidence in Overhaul and Beamdog, I'm just not sure what they can do against the giant companies that hold the rights to the games. Things are very, very bleak.
Love you guys, want to continue giving you support right now, you have my full confidence
Since the last two threads on this topic have been closed, mightest well make this the next one (everyone just try to stay on topic though).
Hopefully the issues involved here can be worked out. I'd like to see BG2EE released at the very least. I'd like the patch too, but mostly for the ability to probably play BGEE on my netbook
I ask only this; in the unfortunate event that BG2:EE can not be released, can we at least be told how the stories of the new NPCs would have gone? Just a bit of closure, you know?
I have full confidence in Overhaul and Beamdog, I'm just not sure what they can do against the giant companies that hold the rights to the games. Things are very, very bleak.
I assume you guys have heard that the Neverwinter Vault got shut down today? There are some community members working on trying to archive all those years worth of community mods on a private site, but anything they don't already have is lost. Right now, I can't find any place to download Savant's "Saga of Aielund", for example.
There is no official information available as to why the Neverwinter Vault ceased to exist today, but the community all assumes that it's Atari's doing.
I'm expecting them to go after the Nexus and Gibberlings Three next. If you have any favorite mods that you don't have a copy of on your current computer(s), you'd better download them now.
I assume you guys have heard that the Neverwinter Vault got shut down today?
Later in same quote:
There is no official information available as to why the Neverwinter Vault ceased to exist today, but the community all assumes that it's Atari's doing.
I'd heard, and this bodes very poorly for the EEs. It seems to me that Atari's determined to see all of their titles go down with them. Going out in a blaze of sour grapes, as it were.
I have full confidence in Overhaul and Beamdog, I'm just not sure what they can do against the giant companies that hold the rights to the games. Things are very, very bleak.
I am not sure "Against" is appropriate in this statement. I don't think that they can do anything "Against" another company that wants to buy the rights. And given that there has already been a proven profit margin I would surmise that anyone who is interested would probably push forward with (a) buying the rights and (b) producing BG2 in some form or another and (c) potentially furthering the franchise if deemed profitable.
What I do hope is that Overhaul is at least at the table and best case scenario that they are able to bid out any competitors such that they get to continue to produce the BG:EE franchise. I don't see this as doing anything Too or against another company, but gaining the rights to continue the work they started.
I have full confidence in Overhaul and Beamdog, I'm just not sure what they can do against the giant companies that hold the rights to the games. Things are very, very bleak.
I assume you guys have heard that the Neverwinter Vault got shut down today? There are some community members working on trying to archive all those years worth of community mods on a private site, but anything they don't already have is lost. Right now, I can't find any place to download Savant's "Saga of Aielund", for example.
There is no official information available as to why the Neverwinter Vault ceased to exist today, but the community all assumes that it's Atari's doing.
I'm expecting them to go after the Nexus and Gibberlings Three next. If you have any favorite mods that you don't have a copy of on your current computer(s), you'd better download them now.
The site shutdown seems to come as a result of either system maintenance gone awry, or due to downsizing of the parent company (i.e. IGN). This is likely not the result of any sort of hostile take-over from a publisher.
In all seriousness, if all of these sites are being taken down, I wonder if someone somewhere is planning a relaunch of some sort. It takes money and resources to shut stuff down like this and most companies simply don't have the resources to do that 'out of spite'. However, if they want to enhance the offering price or someone is planning some kind of rebranding/remarketing of the license, then i could see someone putting out the money this way.
@Dee, thank you for trying to calm me down about this. However, I will believe it when I see the Neverwinter Vault back up and operating as it has for the past decade plus.
Now, I know that the Nexus just stirred up a bit of panic by, in the past couple of days, executing an "upgrade" of its site, invalidating several tried and true links, including the BGR link, by separating NWN1 and NWN2 downloads areas. This was not what made me start doing my "Chicken Little" routine.
What made me revert to my Chicken Little stance, is that a modding site that I have depended upon for years and years, just ceased to exist today.
Like I said, I will believe you when the Neverwinter Vault is back up, as though nothing had happened today. I listened to the Company employees who said that "Atari's bankruptcy will have no effect on BG:EE," when the bankruptcy was first announced. I said, with everyone who was employed to toe the Company Line, "Haha, it's nothing, it won't affect my enjoyment of Baldur's Gate." And, whoops, it totally does, after all.
Pardon me, and forgive me, as I consider you a trusted friend, @Dee, if I stop believing pretty much anything you say at this point, as you are an employee of one of the companies involved in this horrible gaming fiasco of (as I see it) epic proportions.
As I said, I will start believing you again, and I will apologize profusely for my silliness, if the Neverwinter Nights Vault is back online tomorrow.
Please, I beg you, prove me wrong, a crazy, paranoid, conspiracy nut.
@Dee since the notice of stopping selling bgee thread got closed is there any official place where us fans can look with updated information? Like week of 6/24/13 nothing to report on resuming sales of ee..
You know a place where we can look and know this is the latest and not a rumor or whatever.
@belgarathmth I totally understand, and I don't know for certain either what's going on there, but looking at some forum posts from back in February it sounds like they knew ahead of time that the site might go down, as a result of IGN's lay-offs earlier this year; as a result, many of those mods have been moved to a new site, and they're working on finding back-ups of the rest. That's what makes me think it's unrelated, although that doesn't necessarily mean the site will be back up, either.
@smeagolheart News on that front is sparse, except to say that we've got people working on it every day. Unfortunately due to the nature of it (legal issues, contract negotiations, phone calls with estranged relatives), we have to keep a lot of it under wraps. But I'll dig around and see if we can get a dedicated (read-only) "Sit-Rep" thread together.
Great... Probably in a week or so we'll start to see threads about Illuminati, chemtrails and vaccines. Conspiracy, conspiracy everywhere!
Don't you know? The illuminati along with the Bilderberg Group have been secretly giving Atari employees flu shots that have a secret side effect of causing them to become irrational. They want nobody to learn of a secret code hidden within Baldur's Gate that is the source to understand a great secret of the world. The constitution of the US might also be involved, as well as one of those puzzles involving light being projected in order to open trapped doors. The chemtrails they've been releasing above Atari headquarters have acted as a catalyst to causing this irrational state.
What? chemtrails, vaccines and illuminati is not a lot to work with when referring to D&D video games
But on a more serious note (and a tad bit more on topic ) I hope the vault comes back. Modules were probably my favourite aspect of NWN and NWN2.
@belgarathmth I totally understand, and I don't know for certain either what's going on there, but looking at some forum posts from back in February it sounds like they knew ahead of time that the site might go down, as a result of IGN's lay-offs earlier this year; as a result, many of those mods have been moved to a new site, and they're working on finding back-ups of the rest. That's what makes me think it's unrelated, although that doesn't necessarily mean the site will be back up, either.
@smeagolheart News on that front is sparse, except to say that we've got people working on it every day. Unfortunately due to the nature of it (legal issues, contract negotiations, phone calls with estranged relatives), we have to keep a lot of it under wraps. But I'll dig around and see if we can get a dedicated (read-only) "Sit-Rep" thread together.
I assume you guys have heard that the Neverwinter Vault got shut down today?
Later in same quote:
There is no official information available as to why the Neverwinter Vault ceased to exist today, but the community all assumes that it's Atari's doing.
I'd heard, and this bodes very poorly for the EEs. It seems to me that Atari's determined to see all of their titles go down with them. Going out in a blaze of sour grapes, as it were.
Along this same thread, and I've been a cursed fan of Atari since waaaayyy back when, they are bound and determined to blow themselves up, taking our favorite game franchises with them. I wish, oh how I wish, someone could come up with a BG / IWD / ToEEish game running on a public-domain engine.
In other words, put it into the public domain using those portions of our genres we love so much. I don't see a reason we could not tell Atari, WoTC, etc. to go pound sand and do it ourselves. It is along these same lines that we now have such fine CMS programs like Joomla and Wordpress.
The community-at-large has some game programmers and even finer world creators. The only problem I could foresee is that everyone would be going there own way. In other words, direction would definitively needed.
And, of course, this is just the opinion of one long-time (1978) gamer lacking the time to sit down for a pen-n-paper game.
Cordially, 'Ol Bearded Menace
P.S. And before someone comments about Project Eternity, two points. It is commercial in nature. Secondly, I personally don't like gunpowder and guns and the like. And yeah, I'm not a programmer either.
The problem is that Atari and WotC don't just own the rights to the Infinity Engine, between them they own every single aspect of the games, both creative and technical. Technically speaking, ports of Baldur's Gate like Baldur's Gate: Reloaded and the one putting SoA in the Dragon Age engine are illegal. Atari and WotC haven't moved against them yet because the own the engine it's being ported to as well. If you ported it over to an open source engine, though, they stop making money. And when companies stop making money, the lawyers get involved.
@belgarathmth I can safely say G3, SHS and PPG aren't going to disappear any time soon.
Thank you for that reassurance, @Kaeloree. I didn't know if G3 was a private site, or not. I had thought that the NWN Vault was a private site, but, apparently, it is owned by some corporation I've never heard of called "IGN", and it is totally vulnerable to "cease and desist" orders from Atari.
I've been using and appreciating the BG NPC Project, the IWD NPC Project, and the IWD2 NPC Project, for so many years, I don't remember how many years it's been; not to mention, BG Tweaks, IWD Tweaks, Gavin, Finch, Nathaniel, Faren, Kelsey, and so many modded "friends" to me in my "imaginary friend zone", that I can't even begin to comprehend the grief I would feel if they all just disappeared to some nefarious "cease and desist" order from real life.
I do indeed hope and pray that G3 at least is a wholly private entity, completely immune to "The Empire Strikes Back" that seems to be going on in the public, legal sphere of gaming matters, currently.
This whole Atari thing is starting to be of morbid fascination to me, of the kind that makes a person wracked by anxiety, delusion, and psychosis start up with a "mwaaaaah...hahahahaha" demeanor, driven mad by inability to cope. It all is that to me, because, this is the first time in my near 50-year old memory, that real life has so directly impacted my life of escape through imagination.
Anyhoo, long live Gibberlings Three, and Spellhold Studios!!
@Belgarathmth - I can't really explain what IGN is, but if you've heard of Gamespy, they're the ones that own it. As for the NWN Vault, that's kind of disheartening, but I think some people knew that it was going to be going down eventually.
I've only just become aware (roughly) of the situation. Is this largely just because of Atari's precarious position regarding bankruptcy or does the deal Trent and Beamdog entered into to get BG:EE figure into this? From what I recall hearing about that deal it made me question if Trent and co. really weighed up the pros and cons objectively enough before deciding to go ahead with it.
I ask only this; in the unfortunate event that BG2:EE can not be released, can we at least be told how the stories of the new NPCs would have gone? Just a bit of closure, you know?
@Malicron Yeah. If it doesn't pan out then I'd like to know their planned character arcs and anything else that was planned for inclusion in BG2:EE.
Though I wouldn't say no to seeing their stories finished off in a similar manner to their prequel stories already posted by Beamdog. Maybe even one story that involves them all and Baeloth (it could be a short story sequel to the Black Pits or something else). Though in all likelihood if BG2:EE were to go belly up then I doubt they'd be able to contract whoever wrote those other short story prequels for the individual characters. Still it's a fun idea.
You misunderstand. I'm saying if BG2:EE doesn't pan out then they could do something different and post a short story that includes all of them. It need not be held to whatever their plans were for the actual game itself.
I would still hope to hear what their plans were for the characters in game in any case though. But I wouldn't mind a short story that does something with them and gives us a bit of closure as a farewell/thank you to the fans. Though again I realise if they couldn't finish and publish BG2:EE then managing even that could be difficult for them.
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But i feel the situation is "Giant Companies" are teaching them how to handle the business...
After those issues happen , i believe they will take care the contract very carefully in the future .....
Hopefully the issues involved here can be worked out. I'd like to see BG2EE released at the very least. I'd like the patch too, but mostly for the ability to probably play BGEE on my netbook
There is no official information available as to why the Neverwinter Vault ceased to exist today, but the community all assumes that it's Atari's doing.
I'm expecting them to go after the Nexus and Gibberlings Three next. If you have any favorite mods that you don't have a copy of on your current computer(s), you'd better download them now.
Superman, save us!
What I do hope is that Overhaul is at least at the table and best case scenario that they are able to bid out any competitors such that they get to continue to produce the BG:EE franchise. I don't see this as doing anything Too or against another company, but gaining the rights to continue the work they started.
Conspiracy, conspiracy everywhere!
In all seriousness, if all of these sites are being taken down, I wonder if someone somewhere is planning a relaunch of some sort. It takes money and resources to shut stuff down like this and most companies simply don't have the resources to do that 'out of spite'. However, if they want to enhance the offering price or someone is planning some kind of rebranding/remarketing of the license, then i could see someone putting out the money this way.
How's that for a conspiracy theory?
Now, I know that the Nexus just stirred up a bit of panic by, in the past couple of days, executing an "upgrade" of its site, invalidating several tried and true links, including the BGR link, by separating NWN1 and NWN2 downloads areas. This was not what made me start doing my "Chicken Little" routine.
What made me revert to my Chicken Little stance, is that a modding site that I have depended upon for years and years, just ceased to exist today.
Like I said, I will believe you when the Neverwinter Vault is back up, as though nothing had happened today. I listened to the Company employees who said that "Atari's bankruptcy will have no effect on BG:EE," when the bankruptcy was first announced. I said, with everyone who was employed to toe the Company Line, "Haha, it's nothing, it won't affect my enjoyment of Baldur's Gate." And, whoops, it totally does, after all.
Pardon me, and forgive me, as I consider you a trusted friend, @Dee, if I stop believing pretty much anything you say at this point, as you are an employee of one of the companies involved in this horrible gaming fiasco of (as I see it) epic proportions.
As I said, I will start believing you again, and I will apologize profusely for my silliness, if the Neverwinter Nights Vault is back online tomorrow.
Please, I beg you, prove me wrong, a crazy, paranoid, conspiracy nut.
You know a place where we can look and know this is the latest and not a rumor or whatever.
I totally understand, and I don't know for certain either what's going on there, but looking at some forum posts from back in February it sounds like they knew ahead of time that the site might go down, as a result of IGN's lay-offs earlier this year; as a result, many of those mods have been moved to a new site, and they're working on finding back-ups of the rest. That's what makes me think it's unrelated, although that doesn't necessarily mean the site will be back up, either.
@smeagolheart
News on that front is sparse, except to say that we've got people working on it every day. Unfortunately due to the nature of it (legal issues, contract negotiations, phone calls with estranged relatives), we have to keep a lot of it under wraps. But I'll dig around and see if we can get a dedicated (read-only) "Sit-Rep" thread together.
What? chemtrails, vaccines and illuminati is not a lot to work with when referring to D&D video games
But on a more serious note (and a tad bit more on topic
In other words, put it into the public domain using those portions of our genres we love so much. I don't see a reason we could not tell Atari, WoTC, etc. to go pound sand and do it ourselves. It is along these same lines that we now have such fine CMS programs like Joomla and Wordpress.
The community-at-large has some game programmers and even finer world creators. The only problem I could foresee is that everyone would be going there own way. In other words, direction would definitively needed.
And, of course, this is just the opinion of one long-time (1978) gamer lacking the time to sit down for a pen-n-paper game.
Cordially,
'Ol Bearded Menace
P.S. And before someone comments about Project Eternity, two points. It is commercial in nature. Secondly, I personally don't like gunpowder and guns and the like. And yeah, I'm not a programmer either.
I've been using and appreciating the BG NPC Project, the IWD NPC Project, and the IWD2 NPC Project, for so many years, I don't remember how many years it's been; not to mention, BG Tweaks, IWD Tweaks, Gavin, Finch, Nathaniel, Faren, Kelsey, and so many modded "friends" to me in my "imaginary friend zone", that I can't even begin to comprehend the grief I would feel if they all just disappeared to some nefarious "cease and desist" order from real life.
I do indeed hope and pray that G3 at least is a wholly private entity, completely immune to "The Empire Strikes Back" that seems to be going on in the public, legal sphere of gaming matters, currently.
This whole Atari thing is starting to be of morbid fascination to me, of the kind that makes a person wracked by anxiety, delusion, and psychosis start up with a "mwaaaaah...hahahahaha" demeanor, driven mad by inability to cope. It all is that to me, because, this is the first time in my near 50-year old memory, that real life has so directly impacted my life of escape through imagination.
Anyhoo, long live Gibberlings Three, and Spellhold Studios!!
@Kaeloree - Doesn't @CoM_Solaufein own the Team BG/Chosen of Mystra site? Or maybe @CoM_Solaufein can answer this one.
You forgot the aliens... You can never forget the aliens when discussing conspiracies...
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*rereads op's username*
Oh.
Though I wouldn't say no to seeing their stories finished off in a similar manner to their prequel stories already posted by Beamdog. Maybe even one story that involves them all and Baeloth (it could be a short story sequel to the Black Pits or something else). Though in all likelihood if BG2:EE were to go belly up then I doubt they'd be able to contract whoever wrote those other short story prequels for the individual characters. Still it's a fun idea.
You misunderstand. I'm saying if BG2:EE doesn't pan out then they could do something different and post a short story that includes all of them. It need not be held to whatever their plans were for the actual game itself.
I would still hope to hear what their plans were for the characters in game in any case though. But I wouldn't mind a short story that does something with them and gives us a bit of closure as a farewell/thank you to the fans. Though again I realise if they couldn't finish and publish BG2:EE then managing even that could be difficult for them.