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  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    edited July 2013
    Btw, do my "abilites points" and class carry over to Baldurs Gate 2? Remember, I've just played Baldurs Gate 2 ;)
    because im gonna roll 90+ now... ;)
  • atcDaveatcDave Member Posts: 2,387
    raxtoren said:

    Btw, do my "abilites points" and class carry over to Baldurs Gate 2? Remember, I've just played Baldurs Gate 2 ;)
    because im gonna roll 90+ now... ;)

    Yes, all your scores and experience total transfer over directly.
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    Is it true that I can skip Dexterity when I roll my Cleric?
    My sis talked about some gauntles that raise it to 18 anyway.
  • zur312zur312 Member Posts: 1,366
    there are gauntlets but 18 dex on cleric is great
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    edited July 2013
    Sword and Shield style + mace/flail or warhammer would be a good specc? I mean, the whole point is just to stay alive and let the other do the real fighting?
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    edited July 2013
    raxtoren said:

    Is it true that I can skip Dexterity when I roll my Cleric?
    My sis talked about some gauntles that raise it to 18 anyway.

    I know some players like to min/max in games and find ways to 'break it' almost, and in BG, there are things you can do that for sure can make your character feel much more powerful, such as optimising stats to give yourself 18 str, dex, constitution etc, whilst dumping in less useful stats like charisma and wisdom (not in the case of clerics, of course).

    However, given that you can pretty much give yourself whatever you like anyway with EEKeeper, you might as well create a character with some... well 'character', which makes the game a bit more challenging and interesting, in my opinion anyway.

    For example I want my Half-Elf Fighter/Mage to be a skilful, but not particularly strong/tough warrior, with exceptional potential for magical ability, but unfulfilled at the start of BG 1. He is very intelligent and reasonably educated (given that he grew up in Candlekeep) but inexperienced (given how young he is), and he is generally a personable and popular companion.

    Thus his stats are:

    Str: 15
    Dex: 17
    Con: 16
    Int: 18
    Wis: 12
    Cha: 14

    Of course from game mechanics point of view, I really should give him more Str to make him an effective fighter, but I don't want a godly character, just a capable one who works well for RP purposes.

    I even made him Lawful Neutral initially to reflect that he values law and order, and hates chaos and disorder, and is the sort who thinks 'the ends does justify the means' when it comes to getting things done.


  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    or maybe it make more sense to put 1+ weapon prof and the other on sling... so I can swicth between ranged/melee
  • zur312zur312 Member Posts: 1,366
    weapon + sling
    sword/shield is the worst of all styles
    at least single weapon gives you +1 more critical hit
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    Heindrich so you rolled a 92 score character? Must have taken you awhile...
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    raxtoren said:

    Heindrich so you rolled a 92 score character? Must have taken you awhile...

    lol yes, it took ages...
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    I accidently missclicked 20 min ago when I hit 95 O_o iiwjdkjdwk0wd´dw
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    raxtoren said:

    I accidently missclicked 20 min ago when I hit 95 O_o iiwjdkjdwk0wd´dw

    lol I've never even seen a 95 before. Actually anything in the high 80s is quite workable. For my first roll in BG 1 Vanilla, my PC 'only' had 89, so I gave him:

    Str: 15
    Dex: 17
    Con: 15
    Int: 18
    Wis: 10
    Cha: 13

    Also, if u want to save some time, you can just download EEkeeper and instantly give yourself any stats you want.
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    I just rolled,
    str 18
    Dex 11
    Con 18
    Int 11
    Wis 18
    Cha 15

    is that good enough for a cleric?
  • zur312zur312 Member Posts: 1,366
    remove charisma and add dex
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    btw I have a question, when do I get proficiency points? Cleric starts with 2, but thats not enough if I want for ex upgrade sling,mace,flail and warhammer - so at what level do I get new points?
  • zur312zur312 Member Posts: 1,366
    i think fighters every 2 level
    divine casters every 3 level
    rest of them every 4 level

    i am probably wrong but it is something like that
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    zur312 said:

    i think fighters every 2 level
    divine casters every 3 level
    rest of them every 4 level

    i am probably wrong but it is something like that

    thanks! its better then nothing.
  • zur312zur312 Member Posts: 1,366
    raxtoren said:

    I just rolled,
    str 18
    Dex 11
    Con 18
    Int 11
    Wis 18
    Cha 15

    is that good enough for a cleric?

    this is very good stats but dexterity is rather usefull for cleric so maybe switch to
    str 18
    Dex 18
    Con 18
    Int 10
    Wis 18
    Cha 9
    or similar
    raxtoren said:

    btw I have a question, when do I get proficiency points? Cleric starts with 2, but thats not enough if I want for ex upgrade sling,mace,flail and warhammer - so at what level do I get new points?

    just focus on 1 weapon like warhammer or mace

    clerics can only have 1 point in weapon they are not fighters that is why ranger/cleric fighter/cleric fighter/druid are soo good

    druid is kind of better in some cases because he advance to level 9 and 10 in bg1 while clerics are stuck on max 8
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    as I said, its not me thinking cleric is the best class or anything, its the pc being the healer so I can pick better partymembers that suits me.
    If I for ex pick the cleric, I can skip Branwen or Viconia etc in my party and thus have a spot over for Neera or Raasad for ex.
  • zur312zur312 Member Posts: 1,366
    but fighter/cleric is very good healer and much better fighter than pure cleric
    it is not even trade of because pure cleric will hit much less time have lower life pool and other things

    you can play pure cleric but he is just weaker fighter/cleric not the other way around

    baldur's gate is pretty easy so every class you choose is pretty awesome
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    edited July 2013
    Yepp, that sounds great Fighter/cleric. I will pick that dualclass.
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    edited July 2013
    Okay, I just rolled :

    str 18
    Dex 18
    Con 18
    Int 11
    Wis 18
    Cha 8

    Can I start my game with it? :P I picked Fighter/Cleric as the class btw, and half-elf for RPG aspect only, since I played that in NWN/NWN2 and BG2.
  • zur312zur312 Member Posts: 1,366
    edited July 2013
    if he is fighter/cleric half-elf he should have something like 18/XX str
    the more XX the better
    18/00 being 18/100 is max

    it is like this
    str - thaco / dmg / how much carry / breaking doors
    18/01-50 +1 +3 220 25
    18/51-75 +2 +3 250 30
    18/76-90 +2 +4 280 35
    18/91-99 +2 +5 320 40
    18/00 +3 +6 400 45
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    this sucks.

    Minsc refuse to talk with me, and yet my party has good reputation :/ must be that my charisma is too low. why do all the guides on the internet talk about how you can negate charisma and yet a character like Minsc cant be recruited with low stats in it :S
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    raxtoren said:

    this sucks.

    Minsc refuse to talk with me, and yet my party has good reputation :/ must be that my charisma is too low. why do all the guides on the internet talk about how you can negate charisma and yet a character like Minsc cant be recruited with low stats in it :S

    If you have a save before you talked to Minsc then just reload. Drag a character with higher charisma at the top of your portraits on the right side. The reason people say charisma is worthless is because of an item you can get in BG2.
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    raxtoren said:

    this sucks.

    Minsc refuse to talk with me, and yet my party has good reputation :/ must be that my charisma is too low. why do all the guides on the internet talk about how you can negate charisma and yet a character like Minsc cant be recruited with low stats in it :S

    lol This is partly why I don't roll cheesy stats that makes your character an uber fighting machine, but grossly stupid or ugly or ignorant (people tend to use Int, Cha or Wis as dump stats, depending on class).

    You can always choose a character with high charisma to lead your party and 'represent' it when talking to strangers.

    I am finding my EE run with my non-optimised PC pretty easy. I am sure your Fighter/Cleric would have been more than fine with:

    Str 18
    Dex 15
    Con 17
    Int 11
    Wis 16
    Cha 14

    To represent a powerfully built Warrior Priest of some sort. You will come across tomes ingame that will boost each of those stats by 1 anyway (which is retained for your BG 2 run). Dex is useful for all characters, but given how strong and tough your fella is, he can afford to take a hit or two.
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    edited July 2013
    I rerolled a Cleric/Fighter with

    Str 18
    Dex 17
    Con 18
    Int 11
    Wis 18
    Cha 10 (according to the guide, at 10+ you no longer suffer any penalty, while 14+ gives bonuses)

    I found out also where I can find a cloak in BG1 to raise charisma with 2, and ofc in BG2 you can get a ring that boast the Charisma to 18.

    ps! I always put points into speechcraft/charisma in games like fallout,elder scroll etc but since I knew from BG2 that you could get 18 charisma through a ring ... I just didnt see the need to put points into it for BG1 at all, however as I said stated Minsc apprently doesnt wanna join with too little charisma.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    raxtoren said:

    I rerolled a Cleric/Fighter with

    Str 18
    Dex 17
    Con 18
    Int 11
    Wis 18
    Cha 10 (according to the guide, at 10+ you no longer suffer any penalty, while 14+ gives bonuses)

    I found out also where I can find a cloak in BG1 to raise charisma with 2, and ofc in BG2 you can get a ring that boast the Charisma to 18.

    ps! I always put points into speechcraft/charisma in games like fallout,elder scroll etc but since I knew from BG2 that you could get 18 charisma through a ring ... I just didnt see the need to put points into it for BG1 at all, however as I said stated Minsc apprently doesnt wanna join with too little charisma.

    Viconia acts similarly.
  • zur312zur312 Member Posts: 1,366
    i didn't know that and for some reason viconia wound not join my party in bg1 ever
    lol
  • raxtorenraxtoren Member Posts: 228
    edited July 2013
    I just pickpocked the charisma cloak in Beregost from the guy in the inn ;) 2+ in charisma now.

    Imoen saved the day! now just for the cave at gnoll stronghold for the charisma book!
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