[BG1+2] Throwing Axe, flag inconsistency

Boaster

There is an inconsistency between Throwing Axes and whether or not they will add a Strength Bonus to weapon damage.

In both BG1 and BG2:
AX1H04 - when thrown, will add Strength Bonus to weapon damage.
AX1H05 - when thrown, will NOT add Strength Bonus to weapon damage.

The same is true for these items in BG2.

In BG2:
AX1H08 - when thrown, will add Strength Bonus to weapon damage.
AX1H09 - when thrown, will add Strength Bonus to weapon damage.
AX1H10 - when thrown, will NOT add Strength Bonus to weapon damage.
AX1H16 - when thrown, will add Strength Bonus to weapon damage.

I believe they were all meant to add Strength Bonus to weapon damage on throwing, or they were all meant NOT to add Strength Bonus to weapon damage.

I think they should all have the add Strength Bonus to weapon damage flag

AndreaColombo

In PnP, all hurled weapons add the character's strength bonus to the damage roll. Seeing as the majority of the items reported in OP do, and only a very selected few don't, my guess is that the latter don't due to an oversight on the developers' part. Therefore, the strength bonus to damage should be added to them.

Boaster

The same is true of the [BOW08] and [BOW99] in BG2.

These two [add Strength Bonus] to weapon damage, whereas in BG1 they do not.
However there is no [BOW99] in BG1.

lansounet

AndreaColombo said:

In PnP, all hurled weapons add the character's strength bonus to the damage roll. Seeing as the majority of the items reported in OP do, and only a very selected few don't, my guess is that the latter don't due to an oversight on the developers' part. Therefore, the strength bonus to damage should be added to them.

Aren't slings + bullets also considered hurled weapons in PnP?

Boaster

Nope. No Bow or Sling in BG1 uses the flag "Add Strength Bonus" for damage.

In BG2, it would make sense for the [Strong Arm Bow], requires 19 strength, to add Strength Bonus to damage.

CamDawg

Boaster said:

In both BG1 and BG2:
AX1H04 - when thrown, will add Strength Bonus to weapon damage.
AX1H05 - when thrown, will NOT add Strength Bonus to weapon damage.

Neither of these use strength bonus on ranged attacks in BG1.

Boaster said:

Nope. No Bow or Sling in BG1 uses the flag "Add Strength Bonus" for damage.

All slings in BG1 add strength bonuses. They changed their mind in BG2.

CamDawg

...and while I'm here:

AndreaColombo said:

In PnP, all hurled weapons add the character's strength bonus to the damage roll. Seeing as the majority of the items reported in OP do, and only a very selected few don't, my guess is that the latter don't due to an oversight on the developers' part. Therefore, the strength bonus to damage should be added to them.

BG1/BG2 are not PnP.

lansounet

CamDawg said:

...and while I'm here:

BG1/BG2 are not PnP.

That's what I meant with the sling comment

Boaster

I was looking at BG TuTu. Dang it.

I'll look back through.

BG1
[Bow08] - Adds Strength Bonus.
[Bow99] - Adds Strength Bonus.
[SLNG01] - Adds Strength Bonus.
[SLNG02] - Adds Strength Bonus.
[AX1H06] - Adds Strength Bonus.

AndreaColombo

CamDawg said:

BG1/BG2 are not PnP.

As much as they aren't PnP, I advocate that they should at least be consistent: either all thrown axes add strength to damange, or none do. Unless, of course, there was an explicit ingame justification for this mismatched behavior, thus marking it undoubtedly as intended. Picking a random number of thrown axes and making them behave differently for no apparent reason looks more like an oversight than intended behavior to me.

CamDawg

AndreaColombo said:

As much as they aren't PnP, I advocate that they should at least be consistent: either all thrown axes add strength to damange, or none do. Unless, of course, there was an explicit ingame justification for this mismatched behavior, thus marking it undoubtedly as intended. Picking a random number of thrown axes and making them behave differently for no apparent reason looks more like an oversight than intended behavior to me.

They are consistent; no axes in BG1 use ranged strength bonuses as ax1h06 is unused. There's nothing here to be fixed with axes.

bow08's strength bonus should probably be removed, though, as it's the sole bow with it (bow99 is also unused).

Wisp

CamDawg said:

bow08's strength bonus should probably be removed, though, as it's the sole bow with it.

Yeah, BOW08 also has that funky effect on the ability, so for all we know it was the product of intern week at Bioware, or something.

Bhryaen

Wow, this is a lot more contentious an issue than I suspected... lol

Balquo

I also remember talk about this in the beta. Did anything come of it? @Tanthalas

Tanthalas

@Balquo

I think the bow was addressed, but I'm not sure about the Throwing Axes. I'll check it with NI later.

Balquo

The bow was addressed. Axes/slings are untouched. This is fine but I think there should be consistency between BG:EE and BG2:EE.

Tanthalas

@Balquo

/shrug

I want consistency too. I guess this is something that will be addressed when BG2EE comes along.

Sese79

I think a patch would be more logical. If it only comes along at Bg2:EE, then it would create another inconsistency, but backwards. But before that let us celebrate the start.