I want my..

Edwin

i want my, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch.

Pecca

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGrkNu6mDg

BladeDancer

Don't we all? I'm tired of the glitchy cutscenes...

Kamigoroshi

Affirmative! How would you like to have your BG patch served? We have BG patch with eggs, bacon and spam. BG patch with fish, chips and cavier. BG patch with veta, pepperoni, olives. Or perhaps some cold BG patch with stracciatella ice cream, fruits and strawberry liquor on top?

sarevok57

I will take the eggs and bacon please, but instead of spam can I just get toast?

Kamigoroshi

@sarevok57 I'm sorry, we freshly ran out of toast. A group of guests with an healthy appetite ordered huge amounts of pizzas, pizza breads and senior pizza toasts. We'll surely have some again next monday.

May I interest you in BG patch with eggs, bacon, spam and sausages instead?

sarevok57

well not really a fan of sausages but if you can replace the spam with ham, then we should be good to go

Permidion_Stark

I'm tempted to flag this discussion as Spam.

Durenas

There's the chicken eggs and spam, it's not got much spam in it.

the_spyder

Technically it isn't 'your' patch. Work done by the folks at Overhaul is the property of Overhaul and is subject to release when and if they decide to release it. It isn't owed to anyone, although we might want it, other than the folks at Overhaul and therefore is not 'yours'. Not is it likely to be until and unless the whole legal mess is resolved. Then, IF it is resolved favorably and IF they decide that the work is done and complete, they may choose to send it out to clients.

Edwin

@the_spyder

Thanks for clearing that up, Captain Obvious.

Cerevant

MTV

the_spyder

@Cerevant - you beat me to it.

the_spyder

if you guys go to Utube and type in 'Looney tunes I want an Easta Egg' you will see how I feel about this thread in general.

reedmilfam

Actually, when we bought BG:EE, this came with explicit notice that the game was going to be continued to be refined (frequent updates and whatnot). While I understand (mentally) why it wasn't released to us, saying that it doesn't belong to us (the consumer) is a huge stretch. This was not a mod. It was a professionally produced product, sold to us at an agreed-upon price. Using the arguments that one would for a mod is inappropriate to the situation.

The consumer is, in this case, a pawn. I still maintain that withholding the patch is a matter of leverage, rather than a contractual one. The cease and desist was for distributing, not developing (and, in the case of the patch, the developing was done). Anyway, it sucks all around, because I do understand situations like this and that there are no real winners. It just goes into the legal system black hole.

> Best case: the matter will resolve and we'll return to our normal programming (patches/updates leading to BG2:EE)
> Worst case: the BG:EE you have now is all that you'll get

Nothing I say or think will influence those cases, or make either one any more (or less) likely.

the_spyder

@reedmilfam - actually it isn't a stretch at all. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anywhere in the purchase agreement or on the packaging, the web site, any printed material or contract or in fact anywhere at all that "guarantees" to the customer in any sort of meaningful or legal way that the game will continue to be updated and patched. That is totally at the discretion and will of the developer. Admittedly, continuing to patch the program is a way to garner good will among the the consumers, but it is in no way a contractual agreement or requirement on the part of the developers that I have ever seen. Even if it was, the work done is the property of the game developers until such time as they determine it is fit for release.

Further, I'd be curious to know what proof you have that the patch is done and ready for distribution. Everything I have read suggests that it is "Largely" done but still in development. In any event, unless you are on their internal quality control board, or have some sort of inside line, I am not sure how you can make the claim that it is ready for distribution.

Also, I totally disagree that the consumer is the pawn. I agree that further work may be getting held as a bargaining chip. But that doesn't make the consumer a pawn. It makes the work done a pawn. The consumer isn't being held to ransom, the work is. Since it isn't guaranteed that anything will ever see the light of day, the consumer has no part of this. Sure, we all want more work and a more complete project (not to mention BG2:EE), but we are little more than potential leverage.

reedmilfam

@the_spyder Totally disagreeing with you there. On multiple occasions, the work-in-progress nature of BG:EE was touted and there is an implicit understanding that game updates (patches, not new material) are to be made available to the purchaser (the fact is that customers are actually beta testers, whether they know it or not). The work is a lever, but the powerless is the consumer (hence the terminology as pawns) that already paid for the game. I'm not an antagonist of the devs, as my overall set of posts should make clear, yet I'm not an apologist.

I feel I was sold a bill of goods and no banter back-and-forth is going to make me think that any less. I maintain that the update is being withheld for use as leverage which is the right of the developers, but it isn't morally right from my standpoint (but is from theirs - I get how 'truths' matter on perspective). The 2014 release broke some things that were correct, before, and that frustrates me; I tolerated this when I expected it to be addressed in the next update.

Regardless, I'm only out $19.99, so it is hardly the end of the world. I'm disappointed and saddened, but that (and $2.25) will buy me a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Edwin

@the_spyder You need to relax. You come into a thread that was essentially a pop culture pun based off a famous Chile's jingle and start behaving like a randy bishop casting pearls.

Everyone before your post seemed to get it and play along in the lighthearted spirit in which it was intended. Then you come along with a holier-than-though attitude and take a dump on it.

the_spyder

@reedmilfam - you are free to WANT something. And for what it is worth, everything that I have read about the folks at Overhaul, they WANT to give you what you want. Where I think you are confused is this whole 'entitled' attitude where you feel that just because you want it, you are owed it. You aren't. But we can agree to disagree.

@Edwin - I've not heard that jingle. But your initial post did remind me of the Looney tunes skit "I want an Easta Egg", basically about a spoilt child that could only say "I want an Easta Egg" dozens of times over and over again interspersed with violent assaults and childish tantrums on people who didn't give him what he wanted. Buggs Bunny is being forced to play the part of the Easter bunny for reasons that aren't relevant to the story and gets attacked by the errant child several times until he finally finds a way to deal with him. If your post was meant in a different light, then I apologize. In my mind, my pop culture reference trumped yours, but I acknowledge that is only in my mind. That's the problem with Pop culture references. There are any number of ways to read them and dozens or hundreds of reference points from which to draw.

Still doesn't change the fact that acting all entitled may seem funny to you, but it doesn't mean that everyone is going to see it that way. Yes, I would like the patch as much as anyone else. But I appreciate the fact that the folks at Overhaul are not REQUIRED to provide you something. They sold you a product that, regardless of any PR messages, is sold "AS IS". Anything more that they provide, they (the company) aren't getting paid for, nor are the required to provide. Sure, providing patches promotes good will towards future sales, but they don't put any more money in the company's pockets. So how about, instead of demanding something you think you are owed (even jokingly in the light of a pop culture reference), how about asking for something that you WANT, politely.

All in my own opinion.

Dee

I'm gonna go ahead and say let's bring this thread back on-topic. And for those who aren't familiar with the jingle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI5Ttl9YY0

I'm surprised that no one's chimed in with the one baritone-voiced modder chanting "Give us the source".

IchigoRXC

I was more thinking along the lines of this version...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GdzbCIxkzo

diggerb

Dee said:

I'm surprised that no one's chimed in with the one baritone-voiced modder chanting "Give us the source".

Is that a possibility should negotiations or whatever result in disappointment?

Dee

Probably not.

But it does fit into the song where you'd normally hear "Barbeque Sauce".