Backstabbin' all day all night
DarkDogg
Member Posts: 598
I know, many people underestimate the Hide + Stealth rogue class skills.
Or even don't use them at all, or use them just for scouting purpose.
Putting lock picks, picking pockets, traps on the first place in thief skills progression.
There's also a dilemma about best thiefs in BG.
I like backstabbing, personally I think a thief or a rogue class without a backstab ability isn't even a thief or rogue.
We can use such an ability just in every game - sneak attack in NWN, in DAO, in many MMOs etc.
It's a powerfull attack ability indeed and fun too.
That's why my favourite thief in BG is Montaron (or dualed Shar-Teel for even more damage) and not the weakling Alora for example.
Well, in BG2 we had a weak choice in backstabbers - Yoshimo for a while or Jan who is basicaly more a support unit, not a melee damage dealer. (or is it just me who used him more as a mage in combat rather than a thief?)
What a relief. In BG2EE we'll have the new girl HexCAT.
Just imagine HexCAT a evil assassin girl in human flesh armor backstabbing this, backstabbing that
So, do you like backstabbing people for fun and profit or you think it's unfair or to complicated for you to use this ability in the game?
Or even don't use them at all, or use them just for scouting purpose.
Putting lock picks, picking pockets, traps on the first place in thief skills progression.
There's also a dilemma about best thiefs in BG.
I like backstabbing, personally I think a thief or a rogue class without a backstab ability isn't even a thief or rogue.
We can use such an ability just in every game - sneak attack in NWN, in DAO, in many MMOs etc.
It's a powerfull attack ability indeed and fun too.
That's why my favourite thief in BG is Montaron (or dualed Shar-Teel for even more damage) and not the weakling Alora for example.
Well, in BG2 we had a weak choice in backstabbers - Yoshimo for a while or Jan who is basicaly more a support unit, not a melee damage dealer. (or is it just me who used him more as a mage in combat rather than a thief?)
What a relief. In BG2EE we'll have the new girl HexCAT.
Just imagine HexCAT a evil assassin girl in human flesh armor backstabbing this, backstabbing that
So, do you like backstabbing people for fun and profit or you think it's unfair or to complicated for you to use this ability in the game?
- Backstabbin' all day all night95 votes
- Yes. I'm a backstabber. Lovin' it!58.95%
- No. I don't use this ability. Not my style...23.16%
- It's not worth it. Fireballs are better!12.63%
- It's too difficult for me hiding and sneaking. I can't backstab ;-(5.26%
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On one hand he has the ability hide in plain sites with the opportunity to hide even if visible by enemies, on the other hand his twice weaker backstab ability. Logic!!!
They weakened this class before playing it. For sure it's more logical to use a vanilla (or multi) thief or an assassin with a invisibility ring or potions + both of them have great benefits like skill points or +1 damage\attack. And the shadowdancer? His main ability is usable only to avoid damage or flee from combat or if surrounded by enemies...
+1 saving throws looks poor in that case, IMO!
It would be HEXCATastrophe if she is a shadowdancer
OK it has been decided! I'll call her HEXCAT!
I acknowledge, thought, that many players find backstabs fun.
Hitting someone on the sly or stealing while looking aside...
Thieves also can't be lawful.
You know what I mean
Edit: The only exception I make to this is Tarnesh. That guy gets backstabbed for sure.
Pardon me mademoiselle!
*edit* But then, you don't need to backstab to achieve this effect.
...which doesnt mean I don't sneak through the room before that, robbing them blind, laying out traps and otherwise entertaining myself before starting the fun.
Backstab saved my life.
Monteron once killed Sarevok with the longtooth dagger. Invisibility potions are pretty useful in that final fight. You can kite him and backstab the whole battle.
...er fireballs, yes fireballs. I'm sure that's what I meant. ahem.
I find the critical-backstab-splatter one of the most satisfying things in the game, especially when it's against other backstabbers! As Xzar would say, "Doesn't it just...warm the cockles?" ^.^
Jan is the best backstabber in the game, bar none, with only a PC able to surpass him. (This does not include Mislead cheese because I refuse to even learn that spell, let alone cast it).
Yoshi has near perfect thief stats, only missing out on +1 damage due to 17 vs 18 str, and gets double the traps of a normal thief, which is a perfectly fine trade off.
He also has 100 MS when you get him, which anyone who's really dug into the stealth mechanics knows, Hide is worthless to put points in, unless you have nothing else to stick points in (what little you get from stats/base/items is all you need), while MS is all you actually need. Meaning he can immediately stealth well, and has good enough locks/traps/set traps to get by until you can put a few levels into each (I usually prioritize Set trap, since his disarm trap is fine, and his Open lock is as good as Imeons but can be raised later).
@Alkalurops
Or you know, just use good party protocols of having a scout move ahead of the party. By BG2, your group are supposed to be around level 10...far above even career trained soldiers, and you'd think would have picked up a few good exploration practices by that point.
Scouting ahead allows for you to formulate a plan of attack or simply by-pass encounters, or or getting the lay of the land to find the best spot to set up a trap, and then make an ambush attack on a choice target and lead the group in the trap, which now the rest of your party can jump them.
Or have the scout move away from the party and around the outskirts, while your party mates charge in to distract the enemy and move in for a powerful surprise attack from the flanks on a tougher enemy.
Though on the other hand, you can backstab with ANY melee weapon in PnP (PnP Assassins can literally be proficient in any weapon, even exotic weapons not normally available to that setting with DM approval, representing their own ingenuity for creating a new and unexpected weapon type to carry out their kills with).
BG's system is a decent work around. They limited you to a select few BSing weapons, but if you desire, can attempt multiple backstabs, if you have the means to rehide.
Running around a corner is actually specifically mentioned to be one of the few ways a PnP thief can attempt another BS, but requires them to hide and wait for the target to lower their guard.