Fighter\Thief build
Leon
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Hey i would appreciate if someone helps me get the best build for: Thief\Fighter having some proficiency in darts and using quarterstaff for backstabbing. I saw a few topics but i just dont know where to start. Whats the best way. Multi or Dual? Start as fighter or thief? till what level? I read halfing is prefered dart wise, but i am not sure its the best race for thief skills. Anyone with enough Bg Lore to clarify this?
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Start with a human fighter with at least 15 STR and 17 DEX (realistically, you want 18 both). Put 2 pips in dart 2 pips in quarterstaff. At level 3 put your pip in darts, then dual to thief. Put your thief point one in two-handed weapon style one in where ever, daggers maybe. At level four thief you regain your abilities and put the fourth pip to darts. At level 8 thief you get your fifth pip in darts, ending up with
***** Darts
** Quarterstaff
* Dagger
* Two-handed weapon style
You can dual at Fighter 7 and still reach Thief 8 but that's going to take forever. It'll be more powerful though.
An Elf or Halfling will offer you the possibility of very good dexterity for ranged THAC0 bonuses from the very start as well as natural bonuses to stealth, though Halflings have strength penalty.
Personally I'm not a huge fan of fighter->thief duals. While Kensai->Thieves can get very powerful in mid-late BG2 you're stuck with a character who is annoyingly squishy and non-thiefy for more than half of the saga.
There's probably three ways you can go with this
#1 F/T multi
Halflings will give you those extra thieving points that you lack compared to a straight thief, because your thief skills half as quick, but you're missing out 19 strength after using the tome of strength, which really makes your backstabs pack a wallop! Elves are good. You still hit 19 strength, you get high racial dex and the slight loss of Con isn't so bad
#2 Dual Fighter->Thief: Perfect for beefy thieves, more HP, better on the frontline, higher APR, use more items.
WS->Thief: Not recommended. You only benefit from the WS's miscast magic on hit ability, but lose out on tonnes of useful magic items until UAI in ToB
Kensai->Thief: For super powerful backstabs, combine with kai. Earliest dual at lvl 3 for the +1 damage and extra pip. You can go higher of course.
Berserker->Thief: More of a tank thief than the K->T. When you're not thieving, put full plate to become a regular front liner. Dual at 3 for the extra pip or wait for another berserker rage before dualling to thief
#3 Thief->Fighter: Great if you don't want an active thief. Some players think that beyond a certain level, thieves become irrelevant, as they already have enough skill points to do everything the need to. Earliest dual at 3 or 4, to put 100% into Find Trap. Open locks and Stealth can be worked around using, Knock or potions etc
BH->Fighter: Not recommended. BH abilities scale
Assassin->Fighter: Dualling at 4, might just get you enough find traps points and you get +1 damage and hit and poison ability. Pretty decent.
Swashbuckler-> Fighter: Same as T->F, but without backstabs
Annnnnd i think that's it, just my thoughts, I'm sure others will offer their input too
Also yes, you regain abilities when your new class level surpasses the old. You only gain thief skills when leveling up as a thief, so you don't lose or gain points from dualing earlier/later.
1) Multiclass fighter/thief. You can use thieving abilities at the very beginning of the game. It will be one of the best in using darts. Probably best option for BGEE
2) Assassin kit. You can use thieving abilities at the very beginning of the game. It will be the best in backstabbing, but not a good dart thrower.
3) Bounty hunter kit. You can use thieving abilities at the very beginning of the game. It will be the best in scouting and in placing traps, but not a good dart thrower.
4) Swashbuckler kit. You can use thieving abilities at the very beginning of the game. It will be a good melee fighter, but not a good dart thrower.
5) Shadowdancer kit. You can use thieving abilities at the very beginning of the game. Good in scouting, but we still don't know his definitive backstabbing progression, also not a good dart thrower.
6) Fighter dual to thief. Could be the best dart thrower and the best melee fighter, the best scout and very good in placing raps, it will have many thieving points..... but you'll have to wait a lot to gain thieving abilities. Best option for BG2EE.
7) Thief dual to fighter. Interesting character. Could be the best one in many things, but it's mainly used for a backstabber (you'll have less HP but in the end a better thac0 than the fighter/thief dual). You have to choose in wich thieving abilities you want to specialize him.
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If you're only running with a couple of NPCs then yeah, a later dual is possible. Fighter 7 -> Thief will be great even in BG2EE.
Poison Weapon delivered with 3-4 APR is very nasty.
Assuming BG1 only, Assassin6/Fighter8, although if you want to continue playing that char in BG2 too, that wouldn't be the most optimal build.