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Edwin or Baeloth

the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
edited November 2013 in General Discussion (Spoiler Warning!)
So, as the thread title says, I have an evil party in my current play through and I need to decide if I want Edwin or Baeloth in my group.

My party consists of:

Charname: Half Orc Fighter/Thief
Dorn
Viconia
Shar-Teel Dualed to Thief
Kagain

With my playing style, I only want one Arcane caster, and that is non-negotiable. Also, I am unwilling to release any of the other party members, so I need to decide, Edwin? Or Baeloth? To give perspective, I am actually at the point where I will pick up Baeloth if I go that direction, so I can't 'Stick with Edwin until Baeloth comes along'. That already happened.

I kind of like Baeloth because he can cast Identify. Bringing Edwin along is fun and he is very powerful, but I have had to waste a Boatload of cash identifying things and am quite frankly sick of it. I've never played with a Sorcerer, so Baeloth should be a fun and new experience. And at present, Edwin is 5th while Baeloth starts out higher than that. However it also means that I might have challenges that I didn't anticipate, such as picking the wrong spells etc...

As maybe you can tell, I am sort of leaning towards Baeloth, but I am still prepared to be swayed either way. Thanks in advance.

Comments

  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    Go with Baeloth if you haven't experienced his amazingness yet.
  • mforwwmforww Member Posts: 78
    Baeloth, because 1) he's incredibly good 2) OP comedic value
  • AkihikoAkihiko Member Posts: 213
    Baeloth. He's awesome, and the only npc sorcerer outside of mods.
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    Baeloth! More fun to be around, and a better caster.
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    Didn't take much to decide. I guess I just wanted someone to agree with me. I took Baeloth.
  • mylegbigmylegbig Member Posts: 292
    Go with Baeloth if you've never used him. Like Edwin, he's both ridiculously powerful and amusing.
  • OperativeNLOperativeNL Member Posts: 146
    What exactly makes Baeloth interesting and fun? I always thought that Edwin was considered the interesting and fun evil caster NPC.

    I haven't heard anything about Bealoth and he is not one of the advertised "new NPCs that come with BG:EE".. I thought he was more of an easter-egg, without any banters and such?
  • ElendarElendar Member Posts: 831
    OperativeNL said:

    What exactly makes Baeloth interesting and fun? I always thought that Edwin was considered the interesting and fun evil caster NPC.

    I haven't heard anything about Bealoth and he is not one of the advertised "new NPCs that come with BG:EE".. I thought he was more of an easter-egg, without any banters and such?

    He's a sorcerer.
  • DarkDoggDarkDogg Member Posts: 598
    Baeloth!
  • DarkDoggDarkDogg Member Posts: 598
    OperativeNL said:


    I haven't heard anything about Bealoth and he is not one of the advertised "new NPCs that come with BG:EE".. I thought he was more of an easter-egg, without any banters and such?

    Still he has more banters than Edwin in BG1.
  • ElendarElendar Member Posts: 831
    If you're so insistent on taking only a single arcane caster, then you'll probably want the versatility that a wizard has over a sorcerer, plus the fact that in the first BG, sorcerers cannot get to level 5 spells unless you change the XP cap. Baeloth is really better with a backup arcane caster that can use spells he doesn't have while he casts his own many more times.
  • AyiekieAyiekie Member Posts: 975
    OperativeNL said:

    What exactly makes Baeloth interesting and fun? I always thought that Edwin was considered the interesting and fun evil caster NPC.

    I haven't heard anything about Bealoth and he is not one of the advertised "new NPCs that come with BG:EE".. I thought he was more of an easter-egg, without any banters and such?

    He doesn't have banters with other characters, but he has a lot (in BG1 terms) of spontaneous comments on different locations. If you find his bombastic ego to be funny, he's quite amusing to take around. If you don't, then probably not so much. :)

  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited November 2013
    DarkDogg said:

    OperativeNL said:


    I haven't heard anything about Bealoth and he is not one of the advertised "new NPCs that come with BG:EE".. I thought he was more of an easter-egg, without any banters and such?

    Still he has more banters than Edwin in BG1.
    Not really. Baeloth doesn't interact with anyone beyond during specific dialog moments (like when you run into him). Edwin does actually have unique lines with Alora and Minsc/Dynaheir.
  • mackosmackos Member Posts: 188
    Beleoth is a great support caster but in the signle mage team Edwin is imo better option. I just cant resist the ability to cast 5 level spells.
  • GemHoundGemHound Member Posts: 801
    Baeloth. Edwin is awesome, but Baeloth is even better.
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    elminster said:

    DarkDogg said:

    OperativeNL said:


    I haven't heard anything about Bealoth and he is not one of the advertised "new NPCs that come with BG:EE".. I thought he was more of an easter-egg, without any banters and such?

    Still he has more banters than Edwin in BG1.
    Not really. Baeloth doesn't interact with anyone beyond during specific dialog moments (like when you run into him). Edwin does actually have unique lines with Alora and Minsc/Dynaheir.
    Since I don't have Minsc/Dynaheir or Alora in my group, I hope I am not missing out here. Besides, Dynaheir is a deader at this stage. It was a whole thing.
  • DuronDuron Member Posts: 146
    Baeloth is voiced by the legendary Commander Shepard Mark Meer. Nuf said. :D
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    the_spyder said:

    elminster said:

    DarkDogg said:

    OperativeNL said:


    I haven't heard anything about Bealoth and he is not one of the advertised "new NPCs that come with BG:EE".. I thought he was more of an easter-egg, without any banters and such?

    Still he has more banters than Edwin in BG1.
    Not really. Baeloth doesn't interact with anyone beyond during specific dialog moments (like when you run into him). Edwin does actually have unique lines with Alora and Minsc/Dynaheir.
    Since I don't have Minsc/Dynaheir or Alora in my group, I hope I am not missing out here. Besides, Dynaheir is a deader at this stage. It was a whole thing.
    You aren't missing out really since BG1's banters are pretty light to begin with. Besides Baeloth is a better caster :)
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    I played a bit last night with Baeloth. I already like him. With the ring of Wizardry, he has 12 level 1 casts. That is Insane. Add to that the fact that I can now identify magic items without spending 100 GP a pop, I am quite happy.

    I love wizards and how flexible they are with their spell list. but to be honest, I am not a great player, so I KNOW I don't make the most use of that flexibility. I am cool with what I see of Baeloth, and since I have played with Edwin in my party before, and since Edwina doesn't show up till BG2, I can go with Baeloth this game.
  • KennisKennis Member Posts: 124
    Perish the thought. Take both of them. They both rock.
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    Kennis said:

    Perish the thought. Take both of them. They both rock.

    Thanks for the feedback, but can't be done. First, that isn't my play style. I have one Arcane caster in BG1. Second, there is no room in my party. I won't drop Dorn or Shar-Teel or Viconia, outright as they are my three favorites in the game. And I am quite happy with the party balance as it is, including Kagain and one caster. besides, I intend to drop Kagain for Tiax in late game to make my ultimate party. So there is literally no room for both.

  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    Yeah, being able to identify is handy and in a party without a high lore character I would hesitate to take Edwin even if he's the "best" mage.

    I find sorcerors more versatile than mages because of their in-combat flexibility. Mages are still subject to the constraints of preparation. I don't think any of my mages use more than 5 different spells/level on a regular basis but they're often left with uncast spells because the situation that they prepared for never came up.
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