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Just rolled a 97 on a ... Jester. What do?

BrudeBrude Member Posts: 560
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For BG:EE

STR 18
DEX 18
CON 15?
INT 18
WIS 10?
CHA 18?

Should I lower WIS to 7, raise CON to 18, get the Claw & bump WIS later with books? Or lower CHA to 15 & do it that way? Or leave as is?

Also, with a starting CON of 18, will this character eventually be able to get 20 CON & a small regen? Is that worth going for?

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  • EmptinessEmptiness Member Posts: 238
    Going for a little regen on a non-warrior type character is a lot of investment for a little payoff. By the time you can get there you can get regen from an item if you need it.

    Lowering Charisma is probably fairly painless in the long run, because of the Ring of Human Influence.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    Not to mention you have the Friends spell if you really need high Cha.
  • DragonspearDragonspear Member Posts: 1,838
    @Kamuizin

    So Blade or Skald then? Bards are one of the few classes I can think of that truly benefit from such a high score (single class wise).
  • kamuizinkamuizin Member Posts: 3,704
    Dragonspear said:

    @Kamuizin

    So Blade or Skald then? Bards are one of the few classes I can think of that truly benefit from such a high score (single class wise).

    Paladins come to mind, kensai/mage dual class also. Fighter/Druid dual class are one of the most expensive characters in terms of points. You have to get 17 in charisma and wisdom along with an high score in constitution and dexterity and at least 15 in strengh (18/xx of course is recomendable).
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,811
    I'd drop Wisdom to a 9 and raise con to a 16. Early level hps do come in handy.
  • mjsmjs Member Posts: 742
    str: 18 (obviously)
    dex: 18 (obviously)
    con: 18 (and you can be on your way to HP regen in bg2)
    int: 18 (obviously)
    wis: 7 (you don't get lore bonuses till 15 and lore penalties kick in at 9 or below. Use the 3 wisdom tomes to bring your wisdom above the penalties again)
    char: 18 (might as well)
  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    Regen isn't really worth it, though. By the time you get it in BG2 you'll be around ToB levels, before which you'll have several regen items already that are superior to the natural regen of 20-21 Con.
  • SouthpawSouthpaw Member Posts: 2,026
    Quartz said:


    And just gonna say, the argument that "You don't need 18 Charisma because Ring of Human Influence" is just about as stupid saying "You don't need 18 Dexterity because Gauntlets of Dexterity." Yeah sure you have two ring slots, but ring slots are INCREDIBLY valuable in Baldur's Gate II.

    Preach it brother!
  • recklessheartrecklessheart Member Posts: 692
    nano said:

    It's not like you need the wisdom... and high charisma and low wisdom really fits for a Jester.

    Dare I suggest that Shakespeare would disagree, @nano ?

    Personally, I would lower your dex and int to 17, and raise your wisdom to 12: the +1 tomes for int and dex will take you back up to 18, and if you took them to 19 you wouldn't gain any benefit anyway (at least not that I can recall). This way you can have 15 wis by the end of BGEE, and guarantee max lore scores, and the ability to identify more or less everything by level 5. But that is just me - generally speaking I probably wouldn't use all 97 points because I allocate points to characters from a roleplay perspective. Well done on the roll, though!
  • mjsmjs Member Posts: 742
    Eudaemonium said:

    Regen isn't really worth it, though. By the time you get it in BG2 you'll be around ToB levels, before which you'll have several regen items already that are superior to the natural regen of 20-21 Con.

    i wouldn't prioritise it, but it makes sense max it rather than spreading it into wisdom, especially as it means he can use the Claw without taking a HP hit
  • EmptinessEmptiness Member Posts: 238
    edited December 2013
    Quartz said:

    And just gonna say, the argument that "You don't need 18 Charisma because Ring of Human Influence" is just about as stupid saying "You don't need 18 Dexterity because Gauntlets of Dexterity." Yeah sure you have two ring slots, but ring slots are INCREDIBLY valuable in Baldur's Gate II.

    The reason you don't need 18 Charisma is that there are no hurdles in the game that require a high Charisma to clear. The only serious benefit of 18 Charisma over 15 Charisma is that things will cost less to buy. That benefit is nice at first, but ultimately is unnecessary because there's lots of gold available.

    In order to have stated my point clearly I should have said "Lowering Charisma is fairly painless, especially in the long run. Also, if for some reason you do find yourself wanting a higher Charisma for certain interactions then the Ring of Human Influence is an easy way to raise it to 18 temporarily.".

  • jackjackjackjack Member Posts: 3,251
    I'd take higher wisdom over regen 10 out of 10 times, and I'd do so for the lore.
  • mjsmjs Member Posts: 742
    jackjack said:

    I'd take higher wisdom over regen 10 out of 10 times, and I'd do so for the lore.

    but in this case, stripping char and con to the minimum (15), only bumps up your wisdom to 13 (no lore bonus) and even with the 3 wis tomes that's only +5 lore bonus

    whereas 18 con gives you the claw (ac and saves bonuses) in bgee and scope to regen in bg2ee
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    Emptiness said:

    Quartz said:

    And just gonna say, the argument that "You don't need 18 Charisma because Ring of Human Influence" is just about as stupid saying "You don't need 18 Dexterity because Gauntlets of Dexterity." Yeah sure you have two ring slots, but ring slots are INCREDIBLY valuable in Baldur's Gate II.

    The reason you don't need 18 Charisma is that there are no hurdles in the game that require a high Charisma to clear. The only serious benefit of 18 Charisma over 15 Charisma is that things will cost less to buy. That benefit is nice at first, but ultimately is unnecessary because there's lots of gold available.

    In order to have stated my point clearly I should have said "Lowering Charisma is fairly painless, especially in the long run. Also, if for some reason you do find yourself wanting a higher Charisma for certain interactions then the Ring of Human Influence is an easy way to raise it to 18 temporarily.".
    Yeah but... there are no hurdles that require any other stat to clear either. As far as I know. Most people do want discounts while shopping, whether it's required or not, so someone is still going to have to swap in the ring. And in that case the 18 charisma is useful after all because it obviates that necessity.
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    recklessheart said:

    nano said:

    It's not like you need the wisdom... and high charisma and low wisdom really fits for a Jester.

    Dare I suggest that Shakespeare would disagree, @nano ?
    Ah right, Gromnir Shakespeare, noted orcish philosopher. I'm not familiar with his work though his reputation is legendary!
  • mjsmjs Member Posts: 742
    and if you're not reloading for max HP or using mods to give max HP, a high con increases your chance of getting a better roll and more HP when levelling up
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    I rolled a 101 for a Jester, it was a semi-legal roll, because I have the modifiers increased in my BG2 to simulate BG1's Tomes.
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    Quartz said:

    @Pantalion I totally got that exact roll for a Bard in Icewind Dale once ... that dude was insane.

    and iwd bards are awesome
  • scorpiovascorpiova Member Posts: 87
    OP wow... that must be the best jester EVER! Watch Saravok... the Jester of Awesomeness is coming to smite you!
  • NonnahswriterNonnahswriter Member Posts: 2,520
    18/18/18/18/7/18.

    You are now the god of all things lucky.

    ...

    And unwise.
  • tennisgolfbolltennisgolfboll Member Posts: 457
    I rolled 96 for a halfling berserker. Remember halflings has -1 to total stats. I went for 17, 19, 18, 14, 11, 17.

    If i continue with he will end with

    19
    20
    20
    16
    15
    20
    (Stay good in hell)

    Looks heroic
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