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Aristillius

Ive always thought that sorcerers dont follow rules provided by others, but gain power as they gain control and understandig of the powers inherent within them.
Wild mages learn the rules and theory of magic, but bends those rules and dont follow the theoretically correct method at all times.
Maybe?

the_spyder

If I am not mistaken, they don't tap into 'the same' thing.

Sorcerers tap into regular magic just like wizards do. The only difference is that they intuit the connection and am just able to innately be able to generate the right sense or feel that generates the magic. It is kind of like how Jim Butcher describes magic in that it doesn't matter what WORDS you use, so long as you have a rhythm and that you have the right mind set.

I believe that Wild mages actually tap into Wild Magic, which is a whole separate thing. They still have to learn the magic the way wizards do, but it actually comes from a different place. I could be wrong on this, but it is more or less why you have 'Wild Magic' zones. The laws of magic are slightly askew. or some such.

Mornmagor

The big difference is that sorcerers can't turn you orange :P

scriver

Yeah. Sorcerers cast magic intuitively, because of their very nature (and often because of supernatural heritage). Wild Magicians are just like any other wizards in that they do research and study magic intensively in order to learn how to cast spells. The only difference is that instead of focusing at a certain school like illusion or necromancy, wild magicians had chosen to study a certain "anomaly" in magic theory that appeared during the Time of Troubles. There's nothing intuitive or natural in their methods, though - they're just as bound by intricate rituals as other wizards. Perhaps even more so, as tapping into wild magic requires even more determination and study.

I feel some of this confusion probably is owed to the characterisation of Neera. She's depicted more as a clumps who's just naturally gifted with magic yet has trouble controlling the results. Depicted more like a sorceress rather than a wizard, in other words, with wild surges being the result of her inability to properly manifest her power rather than an actively sought and researched effect. If any wizard was so bad at studying magic and performing the correct incantations and hand movements that they constantly risked casting the wrong spell, they'd be the biggest failures ever. That's not wild wizardry, that's just being bad at what you do.

nano

Ah, so being a wild mage is a choice? I always thought Neera was unable to control her power or something like that, but if she actually decided to major in "turning everything orange, and also exploding your classmates" I can see why the Thayvian wizards would be angry.

Kaltzor

I think Neera is in terms of Story a Wild Mage just because technically she's not a very good mage... Rather than actually being one by choice, she's a normal mage whos spells for some reason keep wild surging.

Thrasymachus

My interpretation is that wild mages train like other mages (they need high INT, scribe scrolls into books, etc.). However, unlike other mages, they tap into 'wild magic', which is inherently unpredictable, but promises greater power. It's not clear to me whether wild mages' ability to channel wild magic is a 'gift' or something they deliberately choose to do (it is presented as the former in the game). But overall they resemble mages more than sorcerers.

abacus

If magic is music:
Specialists are like expert members of a classical orchestra - the pinnacle of control and precision.
Wild mages are jazz musicians - doing things with their instruments that the makers never intended.
Bards are rock stars - learning just enough music to get laid.
A sorcerer is that 11 year old kid who gets up in front of assembly with her piano and makes the whole school cry.

Quartz

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Pantalion

What makes their access to magic different?

Well, Wild Mages can access level 9 spells as soon as they scribe the scrolls.
And Sorcerers can only access level 9 spells when they reach level 18.

lunar

Wild mages focus their studies on the newly discovered wild magic. Wild magic first appeared in Time of Troubles, when gods were made flesh, so was Mystra, the mother of all magic, was reduced into a mortal form, too. And then she was slain by Helm (the only God who still had godly powers) this resulted in wild magic surging through the entire world, spellcasting had become a very dangerous and unpredictable business.

After Midnight, a former adventurer wizardess inherited Mystra's portfolio and became the new Mystra, the balance in the magic was restored. However, there were still permanent wild magic areas in places that suffered the most during the cataclysm. Some mages researched the nature of the wild magic and surges, by trying to understand and control the chaos of the wild magic, they opened up a new school of specialisation, wild magic. Becoming a wild mage was difficult and it required great study to understand the complex and chaotic nature of the wild magic. A person with 9 intelligence can technically be a mage, but to become a wild mage required 16 INT. Intelligence became the speciality's prime requisite (whereas a conjurer needs CON, a transmuter needs DEX, etc) this alone can prove wild magic is difficult and more complex than other specialisations. Ofcourse, minimum intelligence requirement was never implemented into bg.

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Silverstar

typo_tilly said:

Wow, this is really cool.

I'm beginning to respect Neera just a bit more now, eh. ^_^

Sorcerers use intuition to control magic.
Wizards use study to control magic.
Wild Mages use intuition and study to control magic.

^__^ *grins* so cool!

Well there's nothing preventing a sorcerer from bothering to put some effort into their magic as well just, you know, they don't -have- to to the same degree as mages. Personally I never pick the named spells (Melf's, Larloch's etc.) on my Sorcerer though as it seems kind of hard studying magic when you're travelling all the time and why bother if you figure out stuff on your own anyway?