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Entangle (Druid spell) also affects allies

VulcanixVulcanix Member Posts: 4
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Hi everyone,

I am at the beginning of the game and I am baffled that Jaheira's Entangle also affects the allies of the Group and nailed them to the ground...

Having played to normal BG1, Entangle affected only the enemies yet...

Is this a bug or is it the rule of the game that evolved?



Vulcanix, French Community (sorry for English mistakes)

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  • DragonspearDragonspear Member Posts: 1,838
    This was changed in the original bg2. Entangle is now a poor man's web
  • kryptixkryptix Member Posts: 741
    Not sure because I've always played on at least core rules... Everything basically affects team members :) that's why ADHW is so good.
  • MitchforkMitchfork Member Posts: 390
    kryptix said:

    Not sure because I've always played on at least core rules... Everything basically affects team members :) that's why ADHW is so good.

    The difficulty doesn't change the AoE effects in Baldur's Gate, you're thinking of Neverwinter Nights.
  • SkaffenSkaffen Member Posts: 709
    I think it always affected group members but haven't played the originsl in >10 years. It certainly did on a GOG installation with fixpack applied which I ran recently.

    And it should in any case, powerful enough as it is since it works in cities, dungeons etc which it actually shouldn't if you know the PnP spell description.

    Good early party friendly AoE spells are glitterdust and horror btw.
  • RedWizardRedWizard Member Posts: 242
    Original BG1 was enemies only so yeah, it was pretty powerful for a first level spell.
  • ajisgod321ajisgod321 Member Posts: 58
    love AoE hold spells, always have some memorized. even in bg2 i always have everybody equipped with ranged weapons
  • DragonspearDragonspear Member Posts: 1,838
    Original BG1 and TotSC = Entangle would only affect allies

    BG2 onward = Entangle affects all. Since BGEE runs on the BG2 engine (i.e. bg2 kits, updates etc) entangle now affects all. Hence a poor man's web. That said in Early BG1, its a great spell provided you're nailing the right people with it.
  • GamingFreakGamingFreak Member Posts: 639
    Web/Entangle is good for laying waste to enemies at range, while web is especially effective if you have Free Action on your frontliner(s) prior to casting it, so the frontliner can basically chunk everything that's stuck in the web while they lay helpless.
  • karnagekarnage Member Posts: 92
    Read the spell descriptions. They will tell you if it affects "all creatures", "friendly creatures/targets" or "hostile/enemy".

    I learned to be more careful when I used Symbol: Stun; reading the description, it did specifically state "all creatures in the area of affect". "All creatures" means friendly folk, too.
  • egonegon Member Posts: 94
    Dragonspear said:

    Original BG1 and TotSC = Entangle would only affect allies

    Would only affect ALLIES? Sounds like a real crappy spell...
  • VulcanixVulcanix Member Posts: 4
    He meant that the spell affected only the enemies. I think. :)
  • DragonspearDragonspear Member Posts: 1,838
    Ya foruming at 6am is bad ><
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    Yeah... I found out that change in Irenicus' dungeon. "OMG Golems... Oh, I know, let's Entangle them so we can shoot them to death!... Wait... why is Minsc Entangled?! Oh no, Minsc is dead..."
  • StoneSwordsStoneSwords Member Posts: 180
    Ambush a group of baddies with entangle/web, and then drop a fireball on them. Instant gratification :D
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited January 2014
    The other great thing about BG1's entangle was that it was cast and forget. It wasn't like web where there are checks each round to see if the creature is no longer entangled. If it got entangled it was entangled for the spells duration.
  • The_New_RomanceThe_New_Romance Member Posts: 839
    Another case of hold and charm spells (and the like) being way overpowered in BG1.
  • SkaffenSkaffen Member Posts: 709
    The_New_Romance said:

    Another case of hold and charm spells (and the like) being way overpowered in BG1.

    ...and go well with OP missile weapons... :)

  • ThrasymachusThrasymachus Member Posts: 903
    Dragonspear said:

    Entangle is now a poor man's web

    Well, Web should be better than Entangle! (2nd level mage spell vs. 1st level druid spell.)
  • DragonspearDragonspear Member Posts: 1,838
    @thrasymachus

    Not saying it should. Druids also have a rather terrible level 1 selection anyway.
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    Yeah, they changed it for bg2 and so now the ee's use it. Because Druids were so OP they needed to be gimped.
  • ThrasymachusThrasymachus Member Posts: 903
    @meagloth: The druid's spell selection for levels 1-3 is indeed weak, but I don't think making Entangle a superior version of Web is the solution.

    I'd really like to see some of IWD's druid spells ported over.
  • AstroBryGuyAstroBryGuy Member Posts: 3,437
    @thrasymachus - you mean something like this?

    http://www.gibberlings3.net/iwdification/
  • ArchaosArchaos Member Posts: 1,421
    I don't remember if Grease is in the BG games but I remember when playing Icewind Dale II and NwN2 Storm of Zehir my main tactics for group of enemies was this:

    Entangle, Web, Grease. Then launching every missile weapon I had and Fireballs as well.
    Who cares if it affects allies too?

  • bbearbbear Member Posts: 1,180
    Grease adds a slow effect on anyone who fails their saves in the area. It's often overlooked because it has to compete with other great spells such as sleep or magic missiles.

    On the topic Entangle, I chuckle whenever I see a Green Dragon getting entangled by its own spell.
  • ThrasymachusThrasymachus Member Posts: 903
    AstroBryGuy said:

    @thrasymachus - you mean something like this?

    http://www.gibberlings3.net/iwdification/

    Yes! But in core BGEE and BG2EE (not as a mod).
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