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What Do You Do About Sarevok (And Why?) SPOILERS!

HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
I've been curious about this ever since I came across him in ToB, and was forced to resurrect him. I haven't asked earlier cos I didn't want to be spoiler'd encase he had a further role to play in ToB.

Now that I know he doesn't and confirmed that you indeed had no choice but to resurrect him, I wonder what other players did regarding Sarevok...

  1. What Do You Do About Sarevok (And Why?) SPOILERS!72 votes
    1. I accept him because his stats are amazing! (Powergaming reason)
        1.39%
    2. I accept him because Charname is a forgiving fellow. (RP reason)
      30.56%
    3. I accept him because Charname pragmatically feels that his knowledge might be crucial. (RP reason)
      33.33%
    4. I reject him because I already have an optimised 6-man party with more xp. (Powergaming reason)
        9.72%
    5. I reject him because he's an evil bastard who killed Charname's father! (RP reason)
      12.50%
    6. Other (Please explain)
      12.50%

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  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    For me it was always going to be option 3 or 5.

    Roleplaying a Good character, or good-intentioned one, I cannot justify accepting Sarevok.

    From the moment he struck down Gorion as a terrified Charname fled into the night, he became Charname's sworn enemy, who vowed to exact righteous vengeance upon the giant armoured man, and that's before he discovered Sarevok would pay a string of assassins to target him, and the heinous plans he had for the Sword Coast, all the suffering he caused, and all the further suffering he would have caused if Charname did not stop him.

    Yes I know he can be reformed. But when you meet him in ToB, he certainly isn't reformed, and offers only pragmatic realist-interest reasons to save him. Charname could not possibly know that Sarevok would be redeemable, and thus could not trust him. He might hold some great insight about the challenges to come, but he might just as well be trying to lure Charname into a trap for whatever infernal powers he might now serve.

    Thus, after trying pretty damned hard for an alternative solution, Charname agreed to resurrect him, but only with the intention of killing him immediately afterwards.

    Unlike @Silverstar, I did not accept his company and then attack him by surprise. I rejected him (didn't know that meant he'd leave immediately) and then launched as many Magic Missiles as I could at him, hopeing to provoke a battle. But alas, Sarevok got away :(

    I imagine that after the defeat of Melissan, Charname and company will hunt down Sarevok and bring him to justice once more.
  • SilverstarSilverstar Member Posts: 2,207
    By surprise? You wound me Heindrich. Surely I would not stoop to a lowly surprise attack. If he didn't see it coming when I took away all his stuff and started casting Mirror Image and Stoneskin he must've been blind indeed.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    I usually take him along as an enslaved spirit. Mainly due to his adorable, glowing puppy eyes and murderous intends. (RP reason)
  • TwaniTwani Member Posts: 640
    When my character confronted Sarevok in the Temple of Bhaal in the Undercity, they generally considered their debt settled. None of my characters are so hyped on revenge that they would hold the crimes of the dead against them. Sarevok died for killing Gorion and terrorizing my CHARNAME, and went to his punishment in the Abyss. Any debts between them were solved by that: CHARNAME killed him, and that's the end of the story. To continue hating him and wanting vengence against him would seem psychopathic to most of my characters: Sarevok paid his dues.

    When he comes to you at ToB he is a powerful character, knows a lot about the prophesies that are currently an issue, and is something of a blank slate. My characters aren't killing him for a crime he committed before he went to the Abyss: he already was brought to justice for that crime. So better to take him with you so you know where he is and can influence him or stop him if he's going to retread familiar paths.
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    Hey buddy! This is an interesting topic, but unfortunately I have a tough time answering the question. It depends really on what character I am choosing.
    My Paladin that I first played through the entire game with accepted him, because she thought that without Bhaal's essence he may be redeemable.
    My chaotic good ranger took him in but made him swore an oath, since he hated him and thought it would be a fitting punishment to make him his bitch, lol.
    The evil play-through that I've been trying to get done may take him for his knowledge about Bhaal.
    It would be interesting to change his class for role-playing reasons after the redemption path.
  • IselethIseleth Member Posts: 15
    edited January 2014
    I rarely use Sarevok, because I feel unwilling to kick another party member at that point in the game. Both for RP reasons (I've been running through the whole of SoA with the same people, so they have become friends), and for powergaming reasons (current NPCs have optimized gear, Watcher's keep XP, ...).
  • GamingFreakGamingFreak Member Posts: 639
    I'm a forgiving guy, and the guy can be redeemed into being Chaotic Good, so there's that to think on. Honestly he makes a good replacement for Minsc, who kinda gets less interaction and more down-time in ToB, whereas many dialogues exist for Sarevok to comment on... also his dialogues are rather amusing if brought up with the veteran characters in the series, especially Minsc and Imoen... ESPECIALLY Minsc's because Minsc questions whether or not he's the real Sarevok, which further along the conversation Sarevok is rather intimidated by Minsc's special thought process.
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    I found the Minsc and Sarevok banter pretty funny :)
    not as good as the Sarevok Viconia ones though!

    I highly recommend installing the Angelo NPC mod. He and Sarevok have some good interactions!
  • TwaniTwani Member Posts: 640
    Angelo and redeemed Sarevok are sweet. 'Just two bastards, then.' I squeed when I read that banter.
  • ShinShin Member Posts: 2,344
    edited January 2014
    I often play brainy but relatively weak caster-type characters who are in need of a more physically oriented "you point, I punch" kind of enforcer to do the dirtywork. Minsc (or Dorn, nowadays) fills this role admirably throughout BG1 and SoA - but when the opportunity comes to get Sarevok in ToB I will usually replace my current enforcer with him.

    My reasoning on the RP side is a lot like @Heindrich1988 suggests, that I'm going into a bhaalspawn-centered confrontation, where Sarevok's knowledge and experience might be important - and as Minsc himself points out, he isn't sure how much help he could be at this stage. My charname would never doubt his loyalty or prowess, but also sees no shame in letting him rest awhile after all the adventuring.
    On top of this, I usually RP it as my charname being curious about Sarevok, wondering if there's more to him than the brutish and single-minded character he encountered in Baldur's Gate, and if he could possibly be swayed in his conviction (since my charnames are pretty much always good-aligned). And after all the hassle he gave me in BG1, I kind of do enjoy the idea of turning him to my will and having him serve as my bodyguard, Code Geass style.

    Powergaming wise though it's not really a trade-up. Minsc or Dorn will by this point usually be bolstered by both strength and constitution tomes and more, so if anything Sarevok will be weaker and have much less experience than them.. I tend to boost him a bit just to bring him up to par.

    I also agree with @GamingFreak that Minsc's and several other NPCs' stories are all but played out by ToB, whereas Sarevok was designed exclusively for it and so obviously has a fair amount of relevant content.
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    I accept him, specifically because my CHARNAME feels he could easily have fallen down Sarevok's path, especially after the events of SoA, and that Sarevok deserves a second chance as a result.

    Malcolm can be a bit naive, really.
  • ThrasymachusThrasymachus Member Posts: 903
    I reject him (usually) because I have a full party, and I'd rather stick with my proven friends and allies than replace one of them with my former nemesis.

    If (in the future) I have a party with only 5 members (including PC), I would accept him for his knowledge, and perhaps to try to redeem him.
  • iAmGoatBoyiAmGoatBoy Member Posts: 72
    I've never used him, as the only time I've been to TOB with an evil party, I had too much invested in Dorn to justify cutting him. Out of interest, if you shoehorn Sarevok into a mostly good party, how does he get along with Imoen? I imagine that interaction would be pretty weird but never experienced it.
  • ThrasymachusThrasymachus Member Posts: 903

    Out of interest, if you shoehorn Sarevok into a mostly good party, how does he get along with Imoen? I imagine that interaction would be pretty weird but never experienced it.

    I had a party with both Imoen and Sarevok back when I first played ToB (a dozen years ago!). They had some amusing banters.

    Also, eventually you can 'redeem' Sarevok, depending on your dialogue choices. If your PC is good, Sarevok converts to 'Chaotic Good' later in ToB.
  • booinyoureyesbooinyoureyes Member Posts: 6,164
    ^that's possibly my favorite banter of them all :D
  • Mrpenfold666Mrpenfold666 Member Posts: 428
    he tried to kill me and he killed your 'father' and trying to kill family, so i say "screw him!! and all who are related to him except me and imoen!!"
  • ChildofBhaal599ChildofBhaal599 Member Posts: 1,781
    he already died. debts have been paid. I take him along because my character feels he could change him into a different person, but more than that he want to be able to keep an eye on him. he resists to bring him back, but in the end it must be done, and he can't leave Sarevok to his evil ways. in the party he would be forced to do good and maybe become good, as I do. in your playthrough he made it out and never got to benefit from your wisdom. he is probably burning villages down as we speak! a good character taking him with can make him a better person and if it proves impossible then he can be disposed of at a convenient moment where he is left with no hope of fighting back.
  • RhymeRhyme Member Posts: 190
    I typically take him just because he's relevant to the overarching storyline, both for TOB and the plot. The game just provides more compelling storytelling with him than it does without him. RP wise, it's difficult for me to rationalize bringing him back after he killed Gorion (The game says I'm happy in Candlekeep as Gorion's ward and traumatized by his death, so that's a constant for all my characters), but I just can't help myself.
  • jackjackjackjack Member Posts: 3,251
    He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    How many times do I have to kill this bastard before he stays dead?
  • SCARY_WIZARDSCARY_WIZARD Member Posts: 1,438
    edited January 2014
    "You live so long as I tolerate it.".
  • CoutelierCoutelier Member Posts: 1,282
    I'd like to say my Charnames are that forgiving... but they're. The only reason they ever keep him around is because he seems to know a fair bit about what's going on. Obviously they keep an eye on him, and were he to revert to his old ways he'd be dropped into tiny bits and the bits fed to a fat cat with diarrhea... I think that's a fair punishment. It turns out he can be redeemed, which is nice, but it wasn't something Charname thought about.
  • GamingFreakGamingFreak Member Posts: 639

    Out of interest, if you shoehorn Sarevok into a mostly good party, how does he get along with Imoen? I imagine that interaction would be pretty weird but never experienced it.

    Well if you used her soul to resurrect him there's at least some fun to be had:

    Imoen: So... Sarevok. You've had an itty-bitty piece of my soul in there for quite a while now. What's it been like?
    Sarevok: Well, other than a slight obsession with my weight and the resurgence of a few pimples, it's been simply grand.
    Though it does take a dark turn later when Imoen inquires more on it, then Sarevok decides to bully her into bringing up the fact that he was able to see into Imoen's memories of her torture under Irenicus, which Imoen is *quite* sensitive of.

    There is the other banter though, that Imoen teases Sarevok in what it's like to be resurrected and Sarevok retorts that he's sure Imoen has been taken to a temple *plenty* of times to be resurrected.

    My other favorite banters involving Sarevok are generally what he has to say to other party members, such as Jaheira, where Jaheira denies his existence as an affront to nature, and Sarevok merely laughs it off... that and Sarevok wondering how Charname was able to tolerate Anomen, let alone let him tag along.
  • VasculioVasculio Member Posts: 482
    Bummed that he doesn't come with The Armor that grants him 100% on certain elementral immunites. But im glad he's back and recruitable.
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