Outrageous! Whare is Firkraag on this list?
SamuelVarg
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Why Firkraag is not one of the dragons on this list is a mystery to me.
Don't they play Baldur's Gate on WatchMojo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYh-rEAUC8
Don't they play Baldur's Gate on WatchMojo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYh-rEAUC8 0
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dragon!
My argument is invalid. :P
And just for a site note, Deathwing didn't have his first appearance in WoW but rather Warcraft 2.
*watches*
*sees #2*
*epic facepalm*
I really don't know why lack of Firkraag is so outrageous. While Baldur's Gate was an important rpg series in gaming history, I don't think WatchMojo would add any dragon from BG, especially because majority of their audiency never heard of BG.
But if I had to look for reason to not include Firkraag... One is that it's mostly a memorable dragon just because it's the first dragon you run into in Baldur's Gate... And will most likely horribly kick your ass... Though it can possibly give you one of the most memorable victories ever if you don't decide to come back at a higher level.
I think the real reason is that no one can remember the Shadow Dragon's name.
There is no Seeth or Kalameet on this list. Therefore it is invalid.
I also was suprised when Bahumut was mentioned, but not in the context of the Dragon in Dungeons and Dragons (I think he is even a minor god). Or why they didn't mention Tiamat. But I guess neither one has necessarily made it into any video games, so maybe that's the answer.
Not only was Firky more powerful, but he had mad swag. I still prefer Yoshi though.
About Firkraag not making the list. He was a grade B villain in the series and he doesn't stand out as much as the other dragons from the Trilogy. He didn't change gaming culture and if you aren't a die hard fan of the game, you wouldn't remember him as easily as others on the list who were mostly main antagonists.
As scary as Firkraag is I do not think of him when I think of Awesome Dragons. I mean I pwned him pretty easily, the Shadow Dragon was more of a challenge than Firkraag.
You say that Firkraag is easy to fight, but if you think well about it, you'll see that Firkraag is easy only if you know exactly what to do, using cheese tactics or clearly OP spell combo that one could not know in his first run (unless he has read walkthroughs or guides on forums); Alduin, instead, needed just some hack and slash, some dodging and was done, even with difficulty mods... so for me Firkraag comes to mind more than Alduin, but not only for this, of course: I think that that character has much more personality and charme than Alduin, even if Firkraag is not in a stunning 3D graphic: there's the story, the voice, the temper, the atmosphere...the power! Damn, if you're not more than prepared he squash you in less than 10 seconds!
He is an awesome dragon, he is a powerful ancient Red like no many others in FR and I think that he deserves a place in a "Top 10 Dragon list" more than others, but of course this is only my opinion and *that* list in OP doesn't exist.
BG/PS:T/IWD style was inspirational for many software houses for the deep atmosphere, plot, and for the detailed representation of the Forgotten Realms,(etc etc) pushing them to produce games with such intensity and detail.
About NES games people usually talks about the same 5/6 games, even if there were many games that were a lot inspirational for future PCRPG developers but that no one heard about (For example Faxanadu, one of my favourite console games of all times, or The Guardian Legend, another NES favourite one), so sometimes it's hard to define which old console/PC RPG games were "most influential" just because the '70s/'80s were times where games were mostly pioneering and innovative in some way, and future games often are a sapient collage of ideas spread in dozens of old games.
At no point did I say Challenge was the ONLY metric by which you measure how awesome a dragon is. I was merely making the point that there were other dragons in Baldur's Gate 2 that could possibly count just as much if not more so than Firkraag to being on that list.
Adalon (an old, supremely powerful, and surprisingly friendly good dragon) and Abazigal (a frightening and powerful Son of Bhaal) are both more awesome than Firkraag IMO.
Also with proper preparation it is entirely possible to defeat Firkraag without too much trouble. And there is space to be tactical when fighting him. Not so with the Shadow Dragon - with that one there is no time to prepare, and no space to be tactical when fighting. It is on top of you the entire time, and I think it actually hits harder than Firkraag.
EDIT:
Alduin might be a bit of a let down in terms of challenge in Skyrim. He doesn't live up to the hype I grant you; but therein lies the difference from Alduin to Firkraag.
Alduin has hype.
He is the "evil brother" to Akatosh. He is the legendary World Eater who seeks to unmake mundus, the realm that his good opposite (Akatosh along with the other Aedra) had created. And as a character in game he is a pretty omnipresent threat and such a pretty good antagonist for the DragonBorn, even if the follow through is somewhat lacking (a gameplay/balancing issue that doesn't really affect his awesomeness level to a huge degree).
Firkraag is none of these things. He is outshone by the other BG dragons. He has no hype or legend. He has no horde. He is barely a side boss. And he is "stupid evil" - I mean his in his head Gorion was his Great Rival (and if I remember correctly Jaheira says something about Gorion barely even remembering it) and his plan to get back at his Great Rival was to what? Mess up his (Gorion's) adoptive child's reputation and then do nothing else when that plan failed? Really?
He was barely a road bump on my charname's road to possible ascension.