PREVIOUSLY UNDISCOVERED way to keep Yoshimo after Spellhold with EEKeeper

Pblack

Hi.

I wanted to keep Yoshi after spellhold and I had already saved my game with him in Brynnlaw. So I thought I was in trouble because the "talk to him by the door" trick did not work unless he left the party BEFORE getting to brynnlaw.

So what I did was the following:

1. Leave him in Brynnlaw (should work anywhere else apart from the asylum) inside a building, close to a door.

2. After spellhold, get into the building, pause and talk to him so he joins your party again.

3. WITH THE GAME PAUSED, SAVE! Your save should have Yoshimo ALIVE in your party.

4. In EEKeeper go to global variables and set ASYLUMPLOT to 1.

5. Export the save back to the game and you are golden!

This worked for me and If I'm assuming correctly, ASYLUMPLOT seems to determine, among other possible things, the point when yoshimo dies (it was set at 60 when I saved my game). So setting it to 1 basically resets his progress through this quest. And since there are no triggers after that (as he should be dead) I'm guessing it is a permanent solution.


Now, I do not understand much of the IE, so if anyone knows a reason why setting this variable to 1 might be a bad idea. Please let me know.

elminster

A portal to the nine hells will now form above the skies of Brynnlaw bringing forth evil like the realms have never seen.

But otherwise changing the variable should probably be fine

WebShaman

You WILL be smitten by Ao.

Just sayin'!

Pblack

I don't know if it has anything to do with that, but I could not find Saemon in the Vulgar Monkey afterwards. So I had to get back to the asylum and take the portal.

But the doors to the asylum should be locked at this stage right? I chose to leave with saemon. Maybe the changed variable did not allow saemon to appear but it also "unlocked" the doors to the asylum. This gets even weirder wth the fact that after I entered the asylum on this trip, I could not leave again due to the "doors being magically sealed" again. So I DO believe there are some consequences, but luckily, the 2 bugs it seems to generate complement each other gracefully.

Skaffen

So in a nutshell it boils diwn to Cloak of Mirroring or Yoshimo? Sorry Yosh...

Pblack

@Skaffen‌

Yes. Sadly it does.

Metalloman

@Pblack: I am not an EEKEEPER expert, but I suppose that resetting that counter to 1 has broken some triggering in the plot...

bbear

Couldnt you spawn another Yoshi after he died? Or does every Yoshi spawned after Spellhold die automatically?

Pecca

Probably a safer way, than resetting asylumplot, is to use Near Infinity and erase scripting action that kills him. It's this one in yoshimo.bcs file:

IF
	GlobalGT("AsylumPlot","GLOBAL",55)
	Global("ButtPluggingCumBubble","GLOBAL",0)
THEN
	RESPONSE #100
		SetGlobal("ButtPluggingCumBubble","GLOBAL",1)
		Kill(Myself)
		LeaveParty()
END

Btw, ButtPluggingCumBubble lol.

Flashburn

Pretty sure you can just C:MoveToArea into the Underdark and it'll move you into the next chapter with Yoshimo in tow. I remember I used to do that when I was much younger, when I thought reading comprehension was for losers. I even remember taking Yoshimo all the way to hell and I think he had his own pre-battle speech like the other party members.

WebShaman

Pecca said:

Btw, ButtPluggingCumBubble lol.

Epic variable name!

Brunachos

Why do people keep complainig about yosh's inevitable demise? Couldn't you all just let it go? It is supposed to happen... and he deserves no better, I mean, he was with a geas, ok, but the jerk prefered to save his own neck, not to sacrifice himself like a good friend should... ok, I will ask no one to do such a sacrifice, but he didn't even give a tought about, ahn, let us see, talk to you about his problems, try to remove the geas? Ok, a curse placed by a level 30 wizard is probably not the kind of stuff you could just go and mess with, but couldn't he at least give it a try? In the name of your good friendship? No! beacause he is a selfish idiot and deserves to burn in hell... don't even bother to take his heart to the church I say; just place it in the latrine at Arnise's Keep.

elminster

Brunachos said:

Why do people keep complainig about yosh's inevitable demise? Couldn't you all just let it go? It is supposed to happen... and he deserves no better, I mean, he was with a geas, ok, but the jerk prefered to save his own neck, not to sacrifice himself like a good friend should... ok, I will ask no one to do such a sacrifice, but he didn't even give a tought about, ahn, let us see, talk to you about his problems, try to remove the geas? Ok, a curse placed by a level 30 wizard is probably not the kind of stuff you could just go and mess with, but couldn't he at least give it a try? In the name of your good friendship? No! beacause he is a selfish idiot and deserves to burn in hell... don't even bother to take his heart to the church I say; just place it in the latrine at Arnise's Keep.

Umm...ok. I'm really not seeing the reason why you are annoyed that people are trying to save yoshimo. He's a quality thief, doesn't get into conflicts with anyone, and is a great character to have around. As for him not looking to sacrifice himself I don't know if Yoshimo is really fully aware of Irenicus's plans. He's just one of many pawns. He's really not in a position to do much of anything and even if he did sacrifice himself it wouldn't stop Irenicus from getting what he wants.

noob_mcnoobster

oh, he IS trolling

Skaffen

Brunachos said:

Why do people keep complainig about yosh's inevitable demise? Couldn't you all just let it go?

I think you will have more luck with the Firefly fans to get over it that they cancelled the series... then again, maybe not! THEY CANCELLED FIREFLY!

jackjack

[Spoiler]Sigh…
Yoshimo is under the effects of a geas. Beyond that, nothing more about his "motivations" need be said.
Some of us accept his fate as integral to a beautifully tragic twist and that's okay. All the more reason to put that bloody rogue elf into the ground where he belongs.
Others can't get past it and that's okay too. The guy has terrific dialogue, was for years the only single class thief, and remains one of the saga's best and most memorable personalities.
But to blame him for it? That's just not right, and I mean that in every sense of the word - it's literally incorrect.[/Spoiler]
Edit: Spoilered

WebShaman

Geas/Quest
Enchantment (Compulsion) [Language-Dependent, Mind-Affecting]
Level: Brd 6, Clr 6, Sor/Wiz 6
Casting Time: 10 minutes
Target: One living creature
Saving Throw: None

This spell functions similarly to lesser geas, except that it affects a creature of any HD and allows no saving throw.

Instead of taking penalties to ability scores (as with lesser geas), the subject takes 3d6 points of damage each day it does not attempt to follow the geas/quest. Additionally, each day it must make a Fortitude saving throw or become sickened. These effects end 24 hours after the creature attempts to resume the geas/quest.

A remove curse spell ends a geas/quest spell only if its caster level is at least two higher than your caster level. Break enchantment does not end a geas/quest, but limited wish, miracle, and wish do.

Bards, sorcerers, and wizards usually refer to this spell as geas, while clerics call the same spell quest.

So normally should be able to break this with limited wish!

And iirc, there was some condition somewhere where one could not talk about the Geas itself...

ZaknafeinBaenre

Skaffen said:

Brunachos said:

Why do people keep complainig about yosh's inevitable demise? Couldn't you all just let it go?

I think you will have more luck with the Firefly fans to get over it that they cancelled the series... then again, maybe not! THEY CANCELLED FIREFLY!

WWWHWHWHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! DAMN YOU RATINGS SYSTEM!!!!!!

elminster

ZaknafeinBaenre said:

Skaffen said:

Brunachos said:

Why do people keep complainig about yosh's inevitable demise? Couldn't you all just let it go?

I think you will have more luck with the Firefly fans to get over it that they cancelled the series... then again, maybe not! THEY CANCELLED FIREFLY!

WWWHWHWHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! DAMN YOU RATINGS SYSTEM!!!!!!

Its all an alliance conspiracy

Brunachos

noob_mcnoobster said:

oh, he IS trolling

Yeap...

But to be more serious and honest: I still think Jan Jansen to be a much more competent thief.

ZaknafeinBaenre

elminster said:

ZaknafeinBaenre said:

Skaffen said:

Brunachos said:

Why do people keep complainig about yosh's inevitable demise? Couldn't you all just let it go?

I think you will have more luck with the Firefly fans to get over it that they cancelled the series... then again, maybe not! THEY CANCELLED FIREFLY!

WWWHWHWHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!! DAMN YOU RATINGS SYSTEM!!!!!!

Its all an alliance conspiracy

I hate those blue uniformed freak alliance skummy deceptive jerks. They should all suffer at the hands of the reapers.

WebShaman

Yeah...put them all in a room full of reapers, and close and bar the doors.

Yummy!

Does anyone really know why they cancelled Firefly? It can't be because of the ratings, because everyone loved the show!

elminster

@Troodon80 OP's question has been answered and this thread is derailing. Maybe its time for it to be closed?

Troodon80

Amusing as this might be, I don't think Firefly or Mass Effect has any relation to the current topic, Yoshimo, or Baldur's Gate. Those discussions should be kept to the Off-Topic section.

Thread closed. If anyone wants to make an appeal on the decision, send me a PM. :-)